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June 26, 2024 at 11:01 am #102816
Mark Flint
ParticipantThis model has both ice dispenser and water dispenser. The solenoid valve is a dual valve with one input and two outputs. When the water dispenser lever is pressed I get 1.7 litres per minute (60 fl.oz) through the solenoid valve (into a bucket) but no water comes out at the front of the machine. When the ice dispenser lever is pressed there is the noise of the motor turning to dispense ice but no water inlet through the solenoid valve, and no ice out the front of the machine. Is water supposed to come into the machine when ice is called for at the dispenser?
Also can’t find why water is not being dispensed even though water is coming into the machine. The water reservoir, which is at the bottom of the fridge does not seem to be frozen.
June 27, 2024 at 1:02 pm #490586Mark Flint
ParticipantJune 28, 2024 at 4:54 am #490587Kentish
ParticipantWhy should there be water flow when you press the ice button?
Without make and model numbers, youre not going to get much input
June 28, 2024 at 9:00 am #490588Mark Flint
ParticipantKentish wrote:Why should there be water flow when you press the ice button?
Without make and model numbers, youre not going to get much input
Hi, the machine is a Samsung RS53K4400SA (s/n 04YZ4EBJ200739P). As seen in the valve picture there looks to be one input (top, brass nut) and two outputs (thicker transparent pipe, and thinner white pipe). I was thinking that one output was to the water dispenser and the other to the ice maker but this is the first time I’ve worked on a fridge water/ice maker issue.
With the valve over a bucket and electrics still connected, dispenser pressed, one of the output pipes has good water flow but the other has no water flow.
Should both ‘output pipes’ see water flowing when the water dispenser is pressed?
Thanks, Mark
June 28, 2024 at 10:42 am #490589Kentish
ParticipantThe water is controlled norrmally on one side by the user activating the switch in the door for water, and the machine asking for water for the icemaker….not the user.
I must say you seem to have too greater a concern for water flow rates. A fridge freezer like this and all fridge freezers that take water do not dispense it at full flow like a tap.
There is no harm in declining a job if it’s something you haven’t done before. After 42 years, whilst there isn’t anything I havent done now, I don’t bother with American fridge freezers.June 28, 2024 at 11:24 am #490590Mark Flint
ParticipantKentish wrote:
There is no harm in declining a job if it’s something you haven’t done before. After 42 years, whilst there isn’t anything I havent done now, I don’t bother with American fridge freezers.Thanks for you input. I’ve only been in this line of work for 8 months so definitely still learning.
June 28, 2024 at 12:16 pm #490591Hollytree_Technical
ParticipantHere are a couple of pointers / background principles for you, they should apply to almost any fridge freezer with a mains water fed automatic icemaker and water dispenser.
Water valve: [INDENT]One valve output feeds the cold water and the other is purely for the icemaker
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Water Dispenser: [INDENT]When the user calls for water the water valve will open allowing water to flow into the reservoir tank in the fridge, out the front pipe behind the plinth, up through the door hinge and then out the nozzle in the door to the waiting glass. In practice it will push the cold water from the reservoir bottle out to the glass allowing the water that has just come in through the valve to get chilled ready for next time.[/INDENT]Ice Maker: [INDENT]Most of these icemakers work on the same basic principle: When the ice is turned on the unit will fill the icemaker tray with water, this will then be frozen at which point the ice will be tipped out (or in some cases scooped) into the holding bucket in the fridge, this process will repeat approximatley every 45minutes to an hour till the bucket is full at which point it will stop making new ice till the level in the bucket goes down.
When the user presses the button to call for ice a flap in the door will open in the chute, an auger (Large corkscrew) will pull some ice in the bucket to the chute and depending on if the user has selected crushed or cubed a flap at the top will either direct the ice through the blades or let it drop.If you want to test the mechanical functionality of the ice maker (including water) then take the bucket out from inside the unit, place some form of bowl/dish below the ice maker then press and hold the test button (located on the bottom of the ice maker) for a couple of seconds, this will cause the ice tray to twist and dispense any ice/water within, the arm on the side will also come down (how the unit checks to see if the bucket is full), the unit will then pause for a few seconds before returning to its start position at which point it should activate the water valve which will then put some water into the tray.
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In your case it sounds like the water valve is okay (at least on the cold water side), if when it is all hooked up you can hear the water flowing when you press the button then either the system is starting from empty (in which case hold the button and wait 30 seconds for the reservoir etc to fill up) or you have a leak, if you don’t see a puddle on the floor then check the hose from the valve to the point that it enters the fridge as they can crack at which point it will fill the drip tray. If you can’t hear the water flow then disconnect it at the bottom of the door and see if it will dispense into a bucket, if it won’t then the bottle is probably frozen, I have never had a blocked pipe.Hope that helps.
Jem
June 28, 2024 at 12:24 pm #490592Kentish
ParticipantMark Flint wrote:
Thanks for you input. I’ve only been in this line of work for 8 months so definitely still learning.
Without sounding unpleasant, we can tell youre new to the game:)
We all were at some point.
Are you self employed or for a company, and what is your background?
Live testing especially with water isn’t something most/many would do.
Something I always told anyone I was training, “always be sure you can get out what you put into a machine”…ie, make sure it drains first before you put water into it:)
Feel free to ask awayJune 28, 2024 at 2:17 pm #490593Mark Flint
ParticipantHollytree_Technical wrote:Here are a couple of pointers / background principles for you, they should apply to almost any fridge freezer with a mains water fed automatic icemaker and water dispenser.
Jem, many thanks, that’s great info to help with troubleshooting. Much appreciated!
I’ll be back at the machine early next week.
Cheers,
MarkJune 28, 2024 at 2:39 pm #490594Mark Flint
ParticipantKentish wrote:
Without sounding unpleasant, we can tell youre new to the game:)
We all were at some point.
Are you self employed or for a company, and what is your background?
Live testing especially with water isn’t something most/many would do.
Something I always told anyone I was training, “always be sure you can get out what you put into a machine”…ie, make sure it drains first before you put water into it:)
Feel free to ask awaySo far the worst flood was when I replaced a dishwasher drain pump and forgot to hook up the drain hose. What came in certainly came out again haha.
I’m just working for myself now and appreciate the freedom to choose my hours and days. Most of my career has been sat at a desk but I’ve always been handy and enjoy learning practical stuff!
Cheers,
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