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June 24, 2005 at 11:12 am #10326
clever dicky
ParticipantHi couple of q’s please.
First, although appreciate site is (UKWhitegoods) and excellent it is, I wonder if possible could it possibly include a section on A/C. At least domestic in any case. Although not exactly ‘whitegoods’ -yet-, but as more and more portables and cheap splits flood the market, Querys q’s, sizes etc, makes models info etc would be very useful to many I think.
Been a few years since I did ac and frige, so although then, new all there was to with tons of experience from theory to practical, and ice makers to screws have a lot to catch up on with new stuff , gas types, suppliers etc.
I think a lot of interested people could benefit from general info that wouldnt / shouldnt be included in the refrigeration section. Perhaps a sub group?
Also although I dont consider myself trade, is there any possibility of at least viewing some of these areas. Particularly jobs section, and technical areas
June 28, 2005 at 7:17 pm #139492kwatt
KeymasterRe: topic enquiry
Some of us do actually service AC units, small portables in the main but some wall mount units like the Whirlpool ones.
The problems is…
Guessed it yet?
China!
Basically, a load of cheap units from China simply aren’t worth repairing as we used to do some a few years back. The information on them was nothing short of woeful, the parts diagrams would have been better if they had used a certain chicken and some snow and the spares (if available) weren’t cheap.
On portable you also get complaints from customers that they’re not cooling, when they are, they’re just not very good. I have two AEG freestanding units and, they might maintain a temp in a room to some extent, but they won’t lower it. And yes, they are vented correctly to outside air through a sealed channel. 😉
On split units there’s a massive array of choice but generally, as they have only traditionally been used in the UK in commercial premises, most of us have likely shunned them leaving it to the commercial boys to deal with. Which is a mistake in many ways I feel, but there you have it.
However, probably like you, I have noticed that more and more people want some form of climate control in their homes and there are several solutions open to the homeowner these days with split units, cheapo freestanders and the likes of the “Lofty” which will cool (alledgedly) up to four rooms. But bar the freestanders none of the options (if you want them to be any good and serviceable in two years time) are particularly cheap, nor are they particularly cheap to service by their very nature and people tend to baulk when you tell them that it’s going to cost upwards of £100 in labour just to regass one. Not that that’s particularly expensive, it’s just that people in the UK seem to think that it’s too expensive for the supposed two days of summer that we seem to get.
It is however my opinion that properly installed air conditioning can add to the comfort factor in your home and also add to the value, or at least the attractiveness of the property to potential buyers. This is negated by the fact that to AC a typical 3 bed house with a conservatory will cost you about £3500 or thereabouts to have all the bedrooms, conservatory and living room/lounge covered to an effective degree. People in the UK seem to think that that is too much to ask and then there’s still the ongoing maintenance and service issues.
I have seen the cheap split units from B&Q that they’re pumping out this summer and, whilst I’m not what you’d call Whirlpool’s No.1 fan, their units are far superior, not that much more expensive and are likely to be serviceable for up to ten years hence. A far better buy.
If you really want to do it right, look into the likes of the Panasonic and other Japanese manufacturer’s “cartridge” units. Very efficient, very quiet and they tend not to break very often at all, but they cost.
In the end, the choice is the customer’s but telling people in the past that if they want AC in the conservatory they’d need to spend £1000-1500 to get it to work right almost required a 999 call. Needless to say very few people came back after buying a cheap freestander to tell me I was right, but enough that I know I was right. 😉
But in the end, the lower end and more affordable units aren’t worth wasting time on and the higher spec units which are don’t sell in sufficient volumes to domestic consumers, so we tend to shy away from them. But the customer is king and if they want cheap stuff then who are we to argue?
K.
June 29, 2005 at 8:46 am #139493clever dicky
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Totaly agree with all you said mate, and do have the very same sentiments about customers and (domestics).
They do gawk at every thing that costs them a quid. While they’ve seen there money pits not only allow them to live in comfort without cost, but actually return a large profit at the end as well, with little more than a few coats of Magnolia and twigs. (Hope we’re on the same wave length) So installing a decent bit of kit that will enhance their comfort, AND increase the home value even more, which realy is no different to a reasonable av setup in cost youd think theyd realise by now.That said, the same could be said for any cheapo appliance, like a washer or dryer that costs even less and we all still have a go at fixing them, even with some as crap as they are. I have.
I’ve in the past installed many many commercial splits and industrial ac with some that are excellent and many that arnt. But very few could you ever stick in your house, or want to.Its only in recent years that technology has allowed the manufacture of ac at affordable prices and of a size people want, and my feeling is that will improve. My preference would be Daikin every time but equally I’ve known very small Mitzi’s so quite and reliable you just wouldnt know they were there, and I’d be happy to have one in my bedroom.
But with a b&q cheapy ac upto 17000 (about 5KW cooling) for a little over four hundred quid, even if chinease or arab made, that aint bad. Ok might not last much longer than a cheap dishwasher but thats the way things have gone.
And sadly I think the designs are now such that the science and art of refrigeration will continue to fade away so the average plumber or sparky is quite competant enough to fit or ‘regas’.But that wont stop me having a go.
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