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  • #103670
    Missteque
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    Does anyone know the resistance and wattage of the cooling motor resistor?
    The Stoves part number is 081731300 which has been discontinued!

    #494148
    electrofix
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    100 ohm 11 watts

    Dave

    #494149
    Missteque
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    Thanks electronic, what is the source of your information.
    The cooling fan on the oven had stopped and it was found that the series resistor had broken. Replaced the resistor and it lit up like a 100W bulb. I take it that the resistor is acting like a fuse where when the motor draws too much current the resistor exceeds it’s rated wattage and breaks?
    I replaced the resister with two 10W 220ohm resistors in parallel so would have had 20W current rating but these have broken as too hot. The motor is rated as 0.310A 70W.
    Any idea what the timer pcb does, does it just switch the negative to the other side of the motor?

    #494150
    electrofix
    Moderator

    source of the information was a clear picture of the part on a suppliers website

    resistor just slows the fan a bit to lower noise I assume.

    The resistor you installed will get hotter and blow because its too large and if voltage drop exceeds 46v it will overload. Adding 2 resistors in parallel should have cured that but not if the motor is faulty. last one I saw did the same thing as motor was faulty

    Dont know which line the timer board works on but all it does is allow the fan to run on after cooking for a given time

    Dave

    #494151
    electrofix
    Moderator

    looks like fan motor may still available if its the plastic fan type.
    think some early ones had a heavy metal fan motor and if yours is that one it could well be obsolete
    so if you fit both it should cure your problem

    Dave

    #494152
    Missteque
    Participant

    Measured resistance of fan – 150 Ohm, from the current stated on fan it should be 742 Ohms.
    Quoted price for a rewind – not less than £300.
    The nearest EBM PAPST fan appears to be a R2S175-AB56-01 and the cheapest I can find it is £143.62 + carriage!
    Anyone know of a cheaper equivalent or I’ll have to buy a new oven.

    #494153
    electrofix
    Moderator

    you cant go by the resistance of the coil as its a coil so it has inductance that alters the coil resistance on an AC supply

    That said from what you say its toast

    Dave

    #494154
    Missteque
    Participant

    OK, I thought I’d try the original fan motor with the 100 ohm resistor on the bench, ran ok and the resistor didn’t glow, current drawn was 0.25A. Connected to the timer pcb and it started up straight away (which shouldn’t happen) and it drew nearly 1A, resistor hot.
    This lead me to believe it was the timer pcb that was at fault. New motor had arrived £180 from Radio Spares. Ordered new timer pcb from espares £30. Swooped timer pcb’s and connected old motor and it ran straight away drawing 1A. Swooped old motor for new motor and it didn’t run until you turned on one of the ovens or grill – correct operation. Swooped new timer pcb for old timer pcb and it still worked correctly!
    So basically it was the motor that was faulty.

    What I cannot understand is why the old motor appears to work ok when NOT connected to the timer pcb and draws more current and runs all the time when connected to the timer pcb.

    Anyone any thoughts, (both motors had the same resistance and I don’t have a way of measuring inductance)?

    #494155
    electrofix
    Moderator

    does sound odd
    your still on the same supply with the same resistor and the only thing the timer board does is switch it

    only one thing left is an earth fault on the motor as I guess you did not add the earth on the bench, but, if you have modern rcd’s it would trip your electrics


    Dave

    #494156
    Missteque
    Participant

    The fan did have a connection to earth as it was sat on its mounting bracket on the metal inside of the top of the oven.
    Something I never measured was L – Fan body (Earth) 30 Ohms, N – Fan body 65 Ohms, L – N 100 Ohms. Still have old style fuses.
    So why does the fan draw more current when connected to the output of the timer pcb as there is more resistance or is the 100 ohm resistor in parallel with the 30 Ohm L – E?

    #494157
    electrofix
    Moderator

    yes shows you need to upgrade your fuse board. if the resistor had not acted as a fuse its likely the fan motor could get very hot. yes there should be thermal protection in the motor but its still a fire risk

    An RCD device would have tripped long ago alerting you to the problem

    RCD devices dont only protect against electric shock they also prevent a lot of electrical fires

    Dave

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