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Well it’s the weekend where the missus is at home and does the weekly washing. She asked me what programme to set the towels on? I pointed her to setting it on ‘Cottons 40 with Rinse Plus’ (just to rinse the soap out proper 😉 ) She switched it on at 8:45 this morning.
I went out at 9 and saw it was washing away merrily when I left. I got home at 11:45 to be greeted by the wife with her arms folded (that’s a signal for me to duck usually? 🙄 )
“That machine is still doing that same towels wash! It’s been on 3 hours!!!”….sure enough it was on the final spin and did turn off after a total elapsed time of 3 hours 7 minutes. She continued…”..at this rate it’s going to take the whole Bank Holiday weekend to do the washing, I want to wash the sheets now, how long’s that going to take?”
I replied….”Ah but Sweetheart, these towels have come out lovely and soft !!” :rotl:
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You have an ISE? 😀
I tell my customers…
“Unless you’ve been playing rugby, always use the quick-wash button.”
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Goatboy wrote:You have an ISE? 😀
Maybe?
Goatboy wrote:I tell my customers…”Unless you’ve been playing rugby, always use the quick-wash button.”
OK on your advice, the next wash we do, we will ‘hit’ the ‘Quickwash’ button and see what happens and report the result. I can say in the interim period that so far today we have only managed to complete just 3 wash cycles (in the time our other machine (Bosch WFS4030) would have done 6 or more!)
The latest wash (my work shirts and stuff) on a cottons 40 cycle took a total of 2 hours 35 mins!!!!!!
The Programme Guide does not state how long a QUICK WASH is but rest assured I will hit that button on the next wash to see what happens and more importantly, how long it takes…..???
…still testing……..
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Strange, I have nine ISE machines installed and not one complaint of this nature ❓
In fact not one complaint…………….yet. 🙂I have one on test as well Martin and so far the furthest deviation I can get from the times in the book is about 20 minutes. And that, IMO, is perfectly acceptable for any modern machine.
We all know they take longer now due to lower water intakes and it is the only way that the AAA can be achieved, especially the first two A’s. 😉
K.
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Goatboy wrote:
I tell my customers…
“Unless you’ve been playing rugby, always use the quick-wash button.”
I always tell mine, to avoid using, Quick Wash, Economy Wash, Time Saver Options, unless they are freshening up clean clothes. The overuse of those three options together with over dosing with detergents ( mainly liquids ) is IMHO the main reason for the high failure rate of alloy drum supports and smelly drums in this ultra soft water area.
As soon as I see a WM with the economy button selected I know that in most cases it is always left like that and the drum support will be shot.
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Correction: I tell the customer to put the machine on, then go and do something! Go to work, go shopping, just don’t stand there waiting for it.
Or if they are waiting for it, let’s say it’s Saturday, and it’s got to do three loads to do, “Unless you’ve been playing rugby, always use the quick-wash button.”
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Goatboy wrote:Correction: I tell the customer to put the machine on, then go and do something! Go to work, go shopping, just don’t stand there waiting for it.
When a customer tells me that it takes them 2 hours to do a wash I tell them that in fact it actually takes them 20 seconds, ten seconds loading the machine and ten seconds unloading. 🙂Re: Machine on test
iadom wrote:The amount of water extracted between 1200 & 1600 is not worth measuring, all 1600 spin gets you is more noise and wear & tear on components. Unfortunately to achieve the AAA rating the machine has to spin at 1500 or faster
Jim’s post earlier in the week (on another thread) got me to thinking that that statement cannot be correct? But in order to establish whether it was or not I conducted an unscientific experiment using the ISE machine to see what (if any?) difference spin speeds makes?
Firstly I did a towel wash (5.1kg of towels) and set the machines final spin speed to 1200rpm. Just after it drained the last of the rinse water and just before the spin sequence started I hung the drain hose into a bucket and let it go through the final spin. It extracted 10,600ml (10.6 litres) of water in total.
Then I set the machine onto a final rinse & spin cycle again, this time set it to 1,500rpm. The moment it had drained all the rinse water and before it started the final spin, I again hooked the hose into a bucket and let it finish the spin cycle. It extracted 11,700ml (11.7 litres) of water in total.
The final result is that by putting on a 1,500rpm spin it extracted a fraction over 10{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} more water than at 1,200rpm….!
Sorry Jim but my intention wasn’t any deliberate attempt by me to prove you right or wrong, but I just needed to know if there was any difference in spin speeds that’s all….now I know 😉
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Yep, unscientific Martin. Without knowing how much water was standing in the machine before you started that figure for the difference could easily be out by over 50{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}, easily as half a litre is neither here nor there in the sump. You could loose that very easily.
Many moons ago ERT (IIRC) published a water extraction chart based on a load of towels soaked and being spun at various speed, then measuring the water extraced and it tailed off significantly over 500rpm. Above 800rpm you were looking at a thimblefull or less of water more being extracted per 100rpm increase on the spin. But creasing did increase significantly as the speed rose and, I would presume, so would damage to the clothing.
The only way to measure accurately would be to have identical soaked towelling put into a machine that was entirely dry for how ever many reps you were running and, whilst there is still room for error, it would be far more conclusive. Oh, and you’d have to weigh the towelling wet so that they were within a few {e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of one another and factor any difference into the result.
K.
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There was some Hotpoint info in the days of paper manuals (ee, them wer’t days) which stated that the 95 series machines extracted:
800rpm – 58{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} extraction when compared to dry weight of load.
1000 rpm – 61{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} extraction
1400 rpm – 64{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} extractionThat’s from memory, but it’s right to the odd one percent.
I’m still mainly of the mind that faster and faster spins are down to one upmanship between the manufacturers.
Chris.
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Penguin45 wrote:I’m still mainly of the mind that faster and faster spins are down to one upmanship between the manufacturers.
Yep.
Yet another triumph of marketing over science and common sense.
K.
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OK so that little exercise seems to have been ‘put into touch’ as it were. 😮
On now to bigger and better things regarding the ISE machine ‘on test’ …..I cannot get my ISE machine to enter the TEST procedure???
I reckon the “Jump Functional Test Programme” is wrong as I cannot get beyond item 2 in that procedure? 🙄 I have tried all selection button options as well and cannot figure how to enter into it :haier:
(Oh! and by the way…It took 10 minutes less time to dry those towels (in my super dooper Bosch T/dryer) that I spun at 1500 revs than it normally would have done with my old Bosch 1200 machine 😉 )
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After a session with ISE, I have found errors with the test sequence from what is printed.
The correct Test sequence is as follows –
1/ Door Locks + All LEDS on
2/ Not Used
3/ Pre Wash Compartment Fills
4/ Main Wash Compartment Fills
5/ Conditioner Compartment Fills
6/ Heater Test
7/ Drum turns clockwise
8/ Drum turns Anti-Clockwise
9/ Drain + Max Spin Speed
10/ All Valves energisedHope that helps Martin 😉
Greg
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gegsy wrote:Hope that helps Martin 😉
It would if I could get my machine to enter a test sequence? How do you enter a test sequence?
Oh, by the way, I have devised a cunning plan to determine the difference in water extraction rate between 1200 and 1500 rpm. Next weekend I shall do the same towel wash on 1200, then I will drain the sump/pump completely, leave the pump cover off, leaving the towels as they were in the drum then set it to do another spin cycle at 1500. Leave a drip tray under the pump cover and measure the extra water…brilliant!
That should do it 🙄
But now I’m going to press a few more buttons to see if I get it into test mode………?
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