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October 16, 2006 at 10:46 am #21733
davidmbell
ParticipantManufacturer : White Knight (Crosslee)
Model Number : 372BV
Serial Number : 0218 904169Hi there – I’ve read a few posts on this forum and know that those that always offer the help need as much info as possible, so apologies if I ramble on a bit.
I have recently bought a ‘Spares or Repair’ White Knight (Crosslee) CL372BV Compact Tumble Dryer with the intention of getting it up and running again. It’s BLUE of all colours, but thankfully living in a large (well vented) cupboard out of sight!
http://www.davidmbell.com/dryer/dryer.jpg
I was told by the previous owner that it wasn’t working, but the motor did sound as if it was running, however, the drum didn’t turn. I thought (hoped) it would be something totally obvious like the belt or the capacitor, turns out it wasn’t…
First job was to take the whole thing apart and clean it up.
There seemed to be an awful lot of fluff inside the cabinet itself. Not sure why this was the case. I think I may order a new filter for it as the existing one has a kink in it and isn’t doing its job properly. That shouldn’t explain why the casing was full of fluff. Any ideas? How can the fluff get inside the case?
Here’s the Filter : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? … 0010839487
Part of the heater element area at the rear was also covered crap, so it’s no wonder its not caught fire in the past! The heating element still heats by the way.
So, I’ve taken in apart and have come up with a few observations:
The previous owner / someone had obviously tried to fix it at some stage as there were some odd things going on inside.
It seems the main fan/fan blade is missing from the back side of the motor shaft (see first diagram): http://www.davidmbell.com/dryer/dryer-diagram.jpg
I have sourced one of these here :
http://www.espares.co.uk/part/tumble-dr … 9/fan.html
£4.59 (inc shipping £7.48) or http://www.partmaster.co.uk/cgi-bin/pro … §ion=0 £11.24 inc shippingThe main problem with the drum not turning (I think) is the rear bearing.
Now I have limited knowledge of this machine but I assume that this machine uses a felt drum seal type bearing, rather than the traditional type. (2nd sketch here: http://www.davidmbell.com/dryer/dryer-diagram.jpg )Part of it is actually missing where it has worn away and as a result the drum looks as if its sat off centre, with the tension of the belt pulling the drum out of kilter. I think because the felt bearing/seal has worn the drum is rubbing on the frame causing friction and thus not allowing it to rotate (see further down re Capacitor).
Should the rear of the drum have the plastic bearings like the front does? Or does it just rely on the felt bearing/drum seal. Just seems odd that this seal supports the whole rear of the drum? Is this how it should be?
SO, if it is this, which do I get seeing as various places stock different parts, the ‘appear’ to do the right job?
http://www.sparesforhome.co.uk/displayP … p?id=11539
£18.80 (inc shipping : £22.30)Partmaster Lists a Felt Strip, but its not clear what that’s for:
http://www.partmaster.co.uk/cgi-bin/pro … uery=CL372Finally…
I read this thread :
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … ic&t=18111
Mine also does not start on its own either, yet will go if the drum is give a shove. The thing is it eventually slows down and stops, I think due to the rear bearing issue, rather than the capacitor. So is the drum not turning down to the bearing issue, or the capacitor? Maybe I won’t know till I repair the bearing itself. I know the capacitor isn’t that much, but is this something worth replacing anyway? How often do they go?
Capacitor: http://www.partmaster.co.uk/cgi-bin/pro … §ion=0
My concern is, are all these spares that it ‘might’ need going to cost more that buying another 2nd hand one for £50 or so. The dryer cost me £10.00 and so far we’re looking at about £30 – £60 to fix it!
Any advice on ANY of the above very much welcome!
David
ps a new one with delivery is about £99 http://www.deals4u.co.uk/product.asp?id=1560October 16, 2006 at 7:32 pm #192322Martin
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davidmbell wrote:Any advice on ANY of the above very much welcome!
I have never known anyone before battling against the forces of evil and adversity in such a way as you have demonstrated here David with your blue CL372. The trouble and devotion you have dedicated towards this machine is quite astonishing I must say. Your detailed report is without question a remarkable account of your whole experience so far in your battle to put life back into something that would otherwise be scrapped by a lesser person than yourself long ago!
Now I have to say that do indeed agree with your sentiments in your final paragraph. And that at an estimated cost to you of between £30 to £60 it is far too great a risky speculation to make on what I regard as a potentially dangerous heap of junk. That has not only had a unprecidented past through its previous owner, but in that short time has suffered a dubious service history to say the least.
How that machine never caught fire in that time is beyond comprehension anyway! :rolls:
davidmbell wrote:ps a new one with delivery is about £99
A wise investment considering the alternative. 😉
October 17, 2006 at 12:06 pm #192323davidmbell
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I had another ‘fiddle’ last night and ran the dryer without the heating element attached – that way I could see the motion of the drum in situ.
It seems its just this rear bearing that is an issue. On a couple of ocasions the drum would start turning on its own. So perhaps the Capacitor is not at fault. Do they gradually degrade or just stop?
I’m still up for repair if I can get hold of a parts diagram for the dryer. I’ve been in contact with Crosslee but not sure if they’ll be willing to help.
Anyone else got any idea how the rear bearing setup is on this dryer?
Mine seems to have just one black plastic bearing and felt at the rear, is this how it should be or should it have three bearings, like the front?
David
BTW I don’t the £99 to buy a new one, and am determind to get this thing up and running. Somewhere in there is a decent little machine with some life left in it!October 17, 2006 at 1:40 pm #192324Martin
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davidmbell wrote:Mine seems to have just one black plastic bearing and felt at the rear, is this how it should be or should it have three bearings, like the front?
Front Drum Bearing Set = Part No 421309209731
Rear Drum Bearing set = Part No 421309227221
Motor Start Capacitor rated at 8 mfThese parts can be ordered via emailing the details above to spares@ukwhitegoods.co.uk
October 17, 2006 at 7:45 pm #192325davidmbell
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Hi Martin, thanks for the reply.
I emailed Crosslee today, as I mentioned, and just before I left work for home I got a reply, with a PDF of the complete technical bumf on the dryer inc exploded diagrams and a parts list.
Thanks! I’ll keep you updated on how it goes…
David
October 20, 2006 at 2:10 pm #192326davidmbell
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Well I should have listened to you Martin – but I soldiered on…
The latest on the White Knight….
Through a good mate I managed to get the following parts FREE!!
– Capacitor x 1
– Rear Felts x 2
– Rear Bearing x 1
– Front Drum Seal x 1
– Rear Drum Seal x 1In other words, in theory enough to get it going without the missing fan.
So all parts installed and still no joy. I think the motor has had it.
Even with a good shove it spins for a second and then runs out of steam.
I tried removing one of the new drum seals and replacing it with one of the old ones’ and then it will JUST turn – usually with an encouraging shove first.
Tried it in this situation with two dry towels and it just copes. Added one more hand towel and it can’t cope.
So I think the motor itself has had it.
Do these motors go like this? IE still work but massively underpowered?
I’ve tried turning the drum manually and there is some resistance, but nothing major.
Clearly if it needs the motor repalcing then it really ain’t worth it. AFAIK they’re about £80 to replace!
Ah well, nothing lossed nothing gained. Plus I’ve got a load of spares to flog on now (or use on a new White Knight when and if I can find another one).
David
October 23, 2006 at 9:05 am #192327davidmbell
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Update:
Managed to now source a lovely WHITE (not BLUE) CL372WV in perfect working order. Slight dent in the top, but otherwise ok. Bought from someone local for all of £20!
So dismantled that and gave the innards a good clean out, changed the bearings and drum seals with the new parts that I’d got for the old machine so hopefully we’ve many years together 🙂 This one powers away, really good start and decent speed. Heats up quick and is quite quiet too. Well chuffed.
So anyone wanting any bits from a BLUE White Knight CL372BV?
Door/Hinge/Drum/Capacitor(s)/Timer/Knob/Heat Selector Switch/Heater Element/Exhaust Thermostat/Cabinet Casing/Door Latch etc etc etc?
Cheers
David
ps re my other thread, I have the AEG Engineer coming Weds afternoon. So at least when that’s fixed I might have something to actually put in the dryer!October 23, 2006 at 2:47 pm #192328Martin
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davidmbell wrote:So anyone wanting any bits from a BLUE White Knight CL372BV?
So it’s with deep joy and a raptuous applause we give thanks to your tenacity David, well done! 😀
By the way, don’t let go of your Blue box of tricks lest you need the parts from it? 😉
October 30, 2006 at 3:08 pm #192329SteveArnell
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Hi there David.
I read your thread with interest. …..Like you, I cannot bear to throw away that which can be made to work (hopefully, economically !).
I admire your endeavours to make your White Knight Tumble dryer work, having found myself in a similar situation.
The difference is that I’m trying to make my old Phillips (precurser to the CL732?) work by replacing the front control panel c/w 120 min. clockwork timer, knob and Hi-Lo temp toggle swich.
Given the cost of the new spares (very helpful at Crosslee Spares !!) I might as well spend £90 on a new CL372……unless you were prepared to part with those parts off your old one..??
What do you say?….Make me an offer maybe?… (I understand if you’d rather kep them as spares for your “new” machine..)Regards,
Steve Arnell
October 30, 2006 at 4:46 pm #192330Martin
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SteveArnell wrote: I read your thread with interest. …..
Steve, I’m sure Davids eyes will light up at the opportunity of parting with precious bits of his blue box of tricks. But, just in case he doesn’t return I suggest you email him using the link on his posts. 😉
November 1, 2006 at 9:19 pm #192331davidmbell
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Steve, I replied to your private mail but not heard back from you yet. Email me direct from my PM if you want or let me know on here exactly which parts you’re after.
Cheers
David
ps not used new dryer yet as now 5 weeks down the line we’re still without a washer!!!November 2, 2006 at 9:15 am #192332SteveArnell
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David,
Thanks for your response. I’ve not recieved anything in my personal mail from you yet…?…maybe I posted the wrong address. it’s
As I said in my post earlier, I’m looking for a Front Control Panel, with The timer and Knob and the Toggle Selector Switch for the Hi / Low temp setting.
Let me know what you’d be willing to accept for your’s, please.
Much appreciated…. and Best Regards,
Steve Arnell
November 6, 2006 at 10:51 am #192333davidmbell
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Sorry Steve I’d PM’d you via the forum, but I’ve emailed you direct now too.
Cheers
David
November 15, 2006 at 10:57 pm #192334SteveArnell
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Just to conclude…..
I fitted the parts sent by David….and my old tumble dryer now works a treat !!
Many thanks to David and this site for solving my problem….all for £15 !
Hope I can turn to this forum for help in the future, if i need it….
All the best,
Steve Arnell,
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