ISE and Beko: cycle times, noise levels

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    TerriJones
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    Hi,

    I’ve just come across the ISE machine and needless to say it looks wonderful. Two questions though. I read elsewhere that:

    > The ISE machine is manufactured for us, to our specification, in Turkey by a company called Beko

    now I did check out some Beko machines too, and while they got generally good reviews from users two issues were repeatedly flagged up – (1) they have amazingly long wash cycles, and (2) they’re very noisy indeed when spinning (“like an aircraft taking off”).

    So, obvious questions: how long are the wash cycles of the ISE machine, and how noisy is it when spinning? (Is it more like Beko, or more like Bosch?)

    Many TIA for any comments –
    Terri Jones

    #201057
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: ISE and Beko: cycle times, noise levels

    Hi Terry,

    ISE is not the Beko that you will buy in Currys. 😉

    To answer your questions…

    Virtually all modern washing machines have longer wash cycles and it annoys customers. This is due to the EU Guidlines on energy use & labels and, if a machine doesn’t meet the AAA rating then people tend to switch off them.

    The ISE isn’t noisy, but then we did specify extra sound insulation although it hasn’t been measured in db as we saw little call to do so. Noise is a very subjective thing and can be massively affected by the environment that the machine is placed in. However, going on comparative testing, I’d say it was easily under 50db.

    Most main wash cycles these days, if you forego the quickwash and there is good reason to avoid that as it is for lightly soiled (not worn next to skin) only on all machines I’ve seen, will take between one hour forty and two hours twenty as a rough guide.

    And, it’s very like a Bosch. 😉

    K.

    #201058
    TerriJones
    Participant

    Re: ISE and Beko: cycle times, noise levels

    Thanks K, and by the way, congratulations and huge thanks to whoever wrote the article you linked to — it opened my eyes when I first started searching. Green though I am, I was then kinda hoping the ISE would not be AAA rated: I wonder how big the market is for a BBB machine, say, or CCB even (?!), that actually cleans your clothes like your old machine used to, without taking forever, come hell or high water consumption?

    — At the risk of losing a sale… do you know if anyone still make such machines, anywhere?! 😕

    — kitchenscience.co.uk claim the Bosch WAE2416S has a 40 degree cycle guide time of around 77 minutes. (Bosch themselves say 135mins for 60 degrees which, as your article says, noone uses.) Whereas all the Beko users complain about crazy cycle times (I assume at 40 degrees) of 2 and a half, or even three hours. Do you guys have a figure, however rough, for the ISE at 40 degrees? (Many TIA.)

    #201059
    gegsy
    Participant

    Re: ISE and Beko: cycle times, noise levels

    TerriJones wrote:…….. Do you guys have a figure, however rough, for the ISE at 40 degrees? (Many TIA.)

    Hi Terri

    40C Cottons app 125 mins
    40C Intensive app 160 mins
    40C Synthetics app 105 mins
    40C Delicates app 70 mins
    40C Woollens app 55 mins

    Hope that clarifies that part for you.

    Greg

    #201060
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: ISE and Beko: cycle times, noise levels

    Hi Terri, thanks as it was me that wrote that article. 😉

    The big problem is that people often see what they want to see and not the reality of the situation. These days a machines that are AAA is something like 65{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of all sales because that’s what people ask for, like any manufacturer ISE is driven by what customers want which doesn’t always fall with what they think they want as opposed what they actually want or need really.

    That aside there is a kind of loose pact with the manufacturers that there is no machine that falls below a “C” rating, there are little, if any these days that are not “A” rated for water consumption due to the market pressures.

    We have a similar issue with out of balance controls as well, everyone uses them now and they are more sensitive because of larger drum sizes. So small loads or washing single items is becoming nigh on impossible.

    It’s all good fun. 🙁

    On wash times, watch a lot of the quoted figures as often what is not mentioned is the temperature of incoming water which has a massive effect on the time taken obviously. One or two manufacturers, who will remain nameless, are reputed to test with a cold supply at 15oC. I’d dearly love to know who has warm incoming “cold” water.

    For a full wash cycle, done properly, most A rated machines will take between 1:40 and 2:20 now from my experience.

    The ISE times quoted I verified in a normal domestic household (two actually) under normal day-to-day use conditions and the ones Gegsy has posted are within 5-10{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of the real world performance if not bang on. I like to be thorough and I like to be honest.

    K.

    #201061
    TerriJones
    Participant

    Re: ISE and Beko: cycle times, noise levels

    That’s fabulous – thanks, and greatly appreciated. (I never believed that “77 minutes” anyway.) We’ll get hold of our local dealer.

    Terri

    #201062
    dan0k5
    Participant

    Re: ISE and Beko: cycle times, noise levels

    Hi, So I shouldn’t believe those avg. wash times provided by Comet?

    And in regards to what someone else posted saying no one uses 60c any more. A great majority of the laundry done in my house and in many of my friends homes is done above 40*c especially towels and bedding. I wash towels and bedding at a minimum of 60*c regardless of it being coloured or not. I hate to think of the germs lurking in the towelling belonging to a religious 40*c user. I also wash jeans at 50*c as they can withstand it.

    I generally wash whites at 50*c sometimes 60*c
    Coloureds/pastels usually recieve 50*c
    Jeans 50*c
    Dark laundry usually 40*c
    Bedding & Towels(inc. tea towels) 60*c MIN

    Fabulously detailed article though! was a pleasure to read. Also you highly recommend Bosch? I’m looking for a new machine but want one with decent water usage. And Bosch machines are very stingy with water. I want to be able to see some form of water level during rinsing on cottons programmes.

    Thanks for listening to my rant!
    Any Help on a new machine is greatly appreciated as the Hoover washer dryer has just been repaired for the umpteenth time and has developed a really strange squeak now. I don’t know what to do!

    Thanks

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