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I’ve got a customer that has a defunked Smeg integrated dishwasher (nothing odd there 😉 ) that wants to replace it for a Bosch. It was no problem for me to remove the Smeg but in order to fit the Bosch in its place requires holes cutting in the kitchen furniture carcase for the hoses. The bottom kick panel needs trimming as does the fitting beneath the worktop.
If this were in my own home I would not hesitate in getting out my jigsaw, large hole cutting bit and circular saw to complete the job. But carving up someone elses furniture is a different matter and I am somewhat reluctant to get involved. Not sure if my Public Liability insurance would cover me either?
Do you guys carry out such work I wonder?
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Yes I do.. but not without a full explanation to the customer and his/hers permission. (get it in writing on your job ticket if you feel you need to).
When fitting Dw’s the aquastop nearly always needs a bigger hole unless the original machine came with one.
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How come there is so much needs changing Martin? I regularly do intergrated swop outs with no mods at all. Although the smeg doors do tend to catch the kickpate without trimming so i would have thought a Bosch to Smeg wouldnt need any. Most people are just grateful to find someone to do it and, lets face it, everything is out of view. I do of course charge accordingly 😉
I draw the line at opening up hob openings though. No way do i want to do that!Re: Integrated machine removal/installation?
eastlmark wrote:How come there is so much needs changing Martin?
The Smeg was bodge fitted by his brother in law. The hoses forced through a small side hole in the carcase and kinked once the dishwasher was pushed home. The wood trim between the Smeg and the worktop is split and unsuitable to re-use, the bottom kick panel will require cutting. The false back of the sink cupboard will need cutting, the plugtop cut off and wires poked through a hole to the nearest ring main…..etc etc…..
Not a straight swap by any manner of means…. 🙁
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Martin wrote: The wood trim between the Smeg and the worktop is split and unsuitable to re-use, the bottom kick panel will require cutting.
The wood trim shouldn’t be there Martin, the appliance should fit up to the underneath of the WT (packing underneath the machine if the legs aren’t long enough). The kick panel won’t need cutting then either 😉
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Hi Martin,
What about the kitchen door that you have to put on the new appliance?
Normally the hinge hole are diffrent from one to the other.
Omar
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True Omar, but being a new dishwasher it will come with a fitting kit and instructions and is generally not a problem.
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eastlmark wrote: I draw the line at opening up hob openings though. No way do i want to do that!
Now I do do enlarging hob apertures; it’s only one or two runs and 15 – 20 minutes with the jigsaw 🙂 . I’ll drill large holes for mains plugs and aquastops when changing integrated dishwashers so that I can connect them up and get them running, but I don’t fit the cabinet doors to the new dishwashers though. One look at the pictorial instruction sheets puts me off :rolls: . I get a friend to do that. Got one at the moment though where the machine’s up and running but friend can’t get round for a month so customer’s not happy 🙁 . She can’t open the door easily, which I suppose is a valid point.
Her husband said ‘ oh it’s only half an hour’s work can’t you do it? I nearly said: ‘If it’s only half-an-hour’s work why don’t you do it? But restrained myself 😆I’ve got a feeling I’m not going to get paid for the dishwasher until the door’s fitted 🙁 .
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I always fit the wooden door on dishwasher installations myself as apart from finishing the job and getting paid it is easier to line up the cupboard doors before finally fixing the appliance in position.
Anyway if kitchen fitters can understand the fitting instructions it shouldn’t be too difficult for an engineer………….should it? :rolls:Steve
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EFS wrote:I always fit the wooden door on dishwasher installations myself as apart from finishing the job and getting paid it is easier to line up the cupboard doors before finally fixing the appliance in position.
Anyway if kitchen fitters can understand the fitting instructions it shouldn’t be too difficult for an engineer………….should it? :rolls:Steve
Good point; that’s me told 😯 . it’s the time factor; I’ve looked at the instruction sheets and thought that job’s going to take ages. Plus there’s the risk of getting it wrong & drilling the holes in the wrong place. I’ve always thought that it’s ajob for someone who know what they’re doing as it’s on show at the front. it’s different with drilling the holes in the backs and insides of cupboards. if you get them wrong it doesn’t show!. providing you don’t drill through a water pipe of course. 😆 Haven’t done that yet.
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Fitting the SMeg outer panels are easy oncee you have done 100 or so! The easiest are miele. and once fitted there is loads of adjustment up and down. I have never had to drill an outer door either, you only have to fit some short wood screws so even if it is wrong first time no one is ever going to see it.
The Bosch outer panels are secured with Velcro these days which allows re-adjustment before fitting the 2 long woodscrews through the whole door and is a great idea.Re: Integrated machine removal/installation?
Always fit the decor door here when installing integrated appliances (unless the decor door is so holey or rotten). In fact I make any adjustments as required to install the appliance in question and normally without reference to customer or permission sought.
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