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Hi guys,
This is is my 1st post on how we are going to handle WEEE, I want to keep this confidential so am only using this closed forum. Therefore if you are none VAT registered agent (particularly Ron & Bill who have asked this quetsion let me know you’ve seen this post).
ISE will join the large retailer compliance scheme Valpac which means we do not have to take back removed product unless we wish to. This helps us for web sales, but also means that if are using the none VAT ISE system where the customer pays ISE and you are paid a commision by us DEFRA do not class you as the retailer therefore have no WEEE obligation, if you are subsequently challenged by DEFRA refer them to me as ISE take your obligation, this is perfectly legal though I don’t think anyone else.
Having said that if you do take back as part of the service (Kevin in Kings Lynn) we still want the waste to off set our tonage so please don’t stop.
More posts shortly when I have spoken to the guys on the two trials we are currently running.
I am going to be more cagey about this having done lots of work including trials I do not do not want our competitors to know our strategy without replicating our work.
Cheers
John
Re: WEEE for ISE
John,
Just confirming that I now have access to this forum.
I am sure most of my customers would like me to dispose of their old machine and may now feel that they can insist on this as part of the deal.
My local refuse site wants to charge me £25 per visit, so up till now I have managed to persuade my customers to phone the council direct to arrange disposal of old machine. You mention that you will still want the waste to offset our tonage, so if I have to take the old machine, what do I do with it in order to achieve this?
RonRe: WEEE for ISE
Hi Ron,
Great you can know see this forum.
DEFRA have confirmed to me the way we operate for none VAT registeed ISE agents make ISE the retailer. This means you have no WEEE obligation and were you to be audited, you would refer them to us and ISE would cover you through our compliance scheme memberships.
Don’t worry about our tonnage I will handle that through agents who have enough storage to cover the minimium five machines required for us to get free collection.
Therefore it’s up to you whether you take machines away as part of the service or not. If you do I will give you the address of somewhere local to you can drop them of free of charge when the locations of all the non council run AFTs and DCFs are known.
Regards
John
Re: WEEE for ISE
Hi all,
Just a quick note to confirm ISE has joined Valpac (retailer compliance scheme) and the DHL (producer compliance scheme)
This means ISE agents can comply with WEEE free of charge via retailer take – back for which I will arrange free collection of old machines from your premisses; or by adopting the system used by the non V.A.T registered ISE agents where by ISE take on your WEEE obligation for your ISE sales.
I am now going to dash round to see you all to confirm what your preferred option is (expect a phone call soon if you have not had one already) and set you up prior to full implementation of the directive on July 1st.
You may wonder why I have put so much effort into this;
Well the answer is simple; if we all use the system set up by the big retailers and manufacturers where we all comply via the councils you were all looking at a bill of between £200 and £1500 per year just to register and ISE were looking at a bill of over £20,000 next year for recycling machines equivelent to my market share. No cost to you and less than a £1000 to us is a good result.
Cheers
John
Re: WEEE for ISE
Hi All
I have been driving round the country to meet as many people face to face as possible to discuss what action you need to take to comply with the WEEE regulations at minimal cost and inconvenience to yourself.
If you have not seen or heard from me recently I am either expecting to see you on Friday at Sibson (specifically Ian, Lawerance, John, Geoff and Chris) or about to call you today (to see you in London next week).
OPTIONS & ACTIONS
1. You only sell ISE – We will take retailer responsibility for your WEEE by adjusting the accounting process slightly.
Action
If you have not already done so call to confirm and we will do the rest.
2. You are going to go retailer takeback (as per the trials in Manchester & Hull)
Action
e-mail your intention to info@valpac.co.uk – when you enter the website cick on DTS registration then complete the form to ‘declare in store takeback’. The sooner you do this the less likely you are to be audited.
I wil be in touch prior to 1st of April with your specific phone number and minimum collection quanity for free removal. If you are on the trial just keep going, you are already compliant.
3. You don’t want to do instore takeback and sell multi brands
You must join Valpac same web address as above but fill in the DTS registration form. This will cost £200 or £750 depending on your turnover.
Note : If your business is purely rental and reconditioning machines you have no WEEE liability for carcus disposel, however contact me if you have not already done so because you may benefit from the legislation by registering as a designared collection facility. If you are in this market you are in a very strong position, worth a call.
I hope this information helps, If you have any specific questions call me on 07979 540 916. If not I will be going through the options with everyone at Sibson.
John
Hi All
I learned from DHL this morning that due to a fallout between producer compliance schemes ref collection of waste from council depots. THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO PROVIDE WEEE EVIDENCE UNTIL AFTER 1st JULY.
This means for those of you who plan to do take back we have 3 months rather than two weeks to get things up and running with DHL.
So don’t worry about holding on to waste for evidence unless you have the storage.
Regards
John
Hi All
WEEE is now up and running, If you require collections from our producer compliance scheme so you can comply with WEEE free of charge, give me a ring.
If you have already placed a request for collection I will be in touch to confirm a collection day shortly.
John
Re: WEEE for ISE
John, just a quick question. Have DHL set up a specialist collection service for Wee with trucks set up for the purpose or are they just collecting using the existing parcel delivery vans? Just making sure they understand that used appliances are heavy and messy things to transprort around.
Mark.Hi Mark,
Sorry for the late reply. DHL already run Producer compliance schemes for Tyres and Packing waste, so electricals are just a bolt on to their compliance business.
Problem is when the whole thing went live on 1st July the numbers have come out and I am currently trying to work out the best option for each agent.
DHL will collect but so will other people, so they may not be the most cost effective option.
There are 240 AFTs all with different rates who will accept WEEE and issue evdience. I am trying to work out a way for agents to drop off at the local site, be WEEE compliant, provide supplier evidence and maybe get paid for the material.
I hope to be contacting everyone with definative answers this week, my thanks to those of you who are currently setting the presidents for me.
Any questions call me
John
Re: WEEE for ISE
eastlmark wrote:Just making sure they understand that used appliances are heavy and messy things to transprort around.
The DHL guy that I got didn’t have a clue what he was picking up 😯 and he looked abit shocked when I showed him a yard full of old appliances.
But, he shifted it all 😀
Hi All,
After months of work and 3 weeks of pulling my hair out below is the ISE / UKW plan for WEEE.
I will get Ken to post the letters I have received from the DTi, Treasury and Environment Agency plus a section from the house of commons WEEE debate on 10th July which may put a different slant on the whole thing by allowing reconditioned machines to count as producer evidence something my MP lobbied for at my request.
1. YOUR OBLIGATION AS A RETAILER
Join VALPAK pay £700+ and have nothing to do with it, OR do instore takeback.
Instore takeback means you will have to prove when challenged by the Evironmental services part of your local council, that you have taken back like for like product that you have sold. To do this you must keep a record of what you have sold, offer your customer the option to take the product it is replacing. If they say no fine (make a note) if they say yes bring it back. You must then dispose of the machine with a registered recycler most local scrap dealers will be OK, when it is collected or dropped of get a receipt. If they can not receit you chances are they are not registered with the council.
2. PRODUCER OBLIGATION
ISE has an obligation as a producer of electrical product to recycle their market share. Some scrap yards have licenses from the environment agency as Authorised Treatment Facility, these are permitted to issue evidence for producers. If use an AFT to take your scrap you can use our terms via DHL which will mean you will be paid £3 or £4 per machine for scrap and they will take fridges at a charge of £3 or £4 per machine. This will help us offset our obligation and any suplus evidence we get we will sell and split the proceeds.
We have a deal with DHL which offsets Scrap value for transport, however the administration of this has proved problematic for us and the hassle for you of holding scrap on site while a collection is arranged is just not worth it for evidence worth 20p per machine.
OUR ADVICE : If your have an AFT on your doorstep and wish to drop it of, great we’ll sort it out for you get you DHL terms and split evidence revinue. If not use a local scapman (assuming he has a license from your local council) but keep records and keep receipts for what you sell.
The governments line is in documents enclosed in Ken’s post.
I hope this clarifies the situations any questions please call me,
Regards
John
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