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  • #25517
    Martin
    Participant

    I’ve been reading with interest this thread: –

    http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … ic&t=22561

    Whilst I clicked in my ‘Yes’ vote I didn’t add any comment to the debate lest my point be translated as ‘yet another negative from Martin’? :rolls:

    But what I will say is this, I think the idea is great but ultimately would prove to be a total waste of time, energy and paperwork shuffling dealing with the likes of MMC & OFT – whatever. 😕

    Far, far better for us to approach the problem from a totally different angle I reckon?

    After you have read my comments regarding Seans idea on the Trade association kick, it may surprise you to know that I am in favour of just such a masterplan. I have always thought that a trade association a good idea, though Ken and others will recall my issues in trying to join DASA many years back, was a non-starter to put it mildly.

    Anyroad, my point is that lobbying the MMC would be peeing in the wind….Creating a proper BODY of men within this trade and then lobbying anyone that stands in our way, is quite another matter. 8)

    Nuff said on this and I’d best get back to Ken/Seans thread regarding a Trade association prospect and perhaps we can talk about it in 2 weeks time?

    Martin

    #206194
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Actually Martin, I think that you’re dead wrong. 😀

    Who do you think wrote up a load of the MMC report on the extended warranties? Which they then bloody plagiarised something severe and didn’t credit the author for. 😉

    Wasn’t me guv.

    The point is that I KNOW that if they receive a complaint that they are duty bound under their own rules to investigate at a certain point. They cannot ignore it and, do you really think for a minute that I won’t scream this from the rooftops and leak it like a sieve that they have it?

    You just have to play the system.

    K.

    #206195
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    You know, on thinking about it Martin, perhaps you should post the negative thought that the MMC/OFT won’t bother their arse on that thread.

    After all it’s going to be sent to them in all likelihood, so why not express your opinion, just remember to put in there that it is you opinion. 😉

    K.

    #206196
    Martin
    Participant

    kwatt wrote:Wasn’t me guv.

    Graham Dixon?…..the crafty sod…… 8)

    #206197
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: Mickey Mouse Club

    Well that didn’t take a lot of research…

    Here’s the bare bones of the article I intend to publish. It’s about time I got back to kicking some arse in this industry…

    kwatt wrote:Restraint Of Trade – Technical Information For Appliances

    UK Whitegoods launches a campaign to ensure availability of service information in the UK appliance industry

    On a daily basis we are asked by email, phone calls and in the UK Whitegoods forums what the fault codes on many machines mean. The simple fact is that, in many cases, it’s nothing short of miraculous that we do know and this is down to several factors:

    • We are not given access to technical information in most cases
    • We are not given access to technical or safety notices
    • We are not given technical manuals of any sort normally
    • We are lucky to have access to a parts blowout diagram and parts list

    This means that when you ask for technical information on a particular product it is very likely that we don’t have any, or very little. In virtually every instance there is no technical manual available in any shape or form.

    Safety

    The issue of safety would very much depend on your point of view, the manufacturers will state that it is in the interest of safety and that only their own service engineers or appointed agents have the skills to safely repair the appliances. There seems little other reasons presented to justify withholding technical information.

    We disagree, very strongly. In fact, we feel that by restricting information in this way that it actually produces the opposite effect in many ways.

    The fact is that the independent trade is asked by customers to repair the machines that they buy, washing machines, dishwashers, cookers and so on and yet, when an independent engineer requests, often something as simple as a wiring diagram, they are refused access to this information.

    More worringly, neither consumers or tradespeople are allowed access to service bulletin or safety or recall notices, effectively meaning that a potentially hazardous appliance could be left, totally unwittingly, in a dangerous condition. This is very worrying and a huge safety issue for both the industry and the general public.

    In reality, in twenty years experience of the industry, I have never once received a service bulletin or safety or recall notice for an appliance which I was not an agent for at the time. Some I only found out about when, like the general public, I read about a recall in a newspaper or someone told me.

    Is this really a responsible way for a manufacturer to act?

    We don’t think that this is responsible, or even safe and most certainly not in the public interest.

    You’re Over A Barrel

    What this means is that many manufacturers have you, their customers, over a barrel when it comes to servicing or spare parts. They can charge you almost whatever they like as you’ve no choice. Some may even consider this to be a monopoly situation, we think that some are actively creating one for themselves by this policy as well as restraining competition massively.

    Quite worrying is it not that some manufacturers are prepared to place their customers at risk or simply overcharge for service and spares isn’t it?

    By creating a monopoly situation when it comes to service the manufacturer can charge whatever they like for spares, how can you argue? But if the machine becomes uneconomical to repair they will often happily supply you a new one at a discounted rate.

    The fact is that you are not being given a choice in many cases.

    The Environment

    Of course this means that many machines are scrapped early due to the lack of technical information, over the top service charges and ludicrous spares pricing policies. That is hardly good for the environment.

    In fact, the average lifespan of the humble washing machine has dropped quite considerably due to poor quality as well as the above policies. So the appliances break down more often and get repaired less, an environmental disaster.

    In the period 2001 to 2005 these policies have massively contributed to an additional (approx) 250,000 washing machines alone being scrapped prematurely in the UK. With an average weight of 50kg per machine this is a staggering amount of unnecessary waste, 12500 metric tonnes in the UK alone and, is equal to 33 Boeing 747’s going to landfill, every year.

    The biggest shock of that is that’s only washing machines, no other appliances are included in those figures at all. We still have to add tumble dryers, fridges, freezers, cookers and so on.

    An awful lot of needless damage to the environment that is easily avoidable.

    What Can Be Done?

    UK Whitegoods has launched a campaign to encourage the Office of Fair Trading to investigate this matter as we feel that a restraint of trade is being placed upon businesses outside of approved repair centres and OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) service, or “direct service” as it is known.

    It is anti-competitive as there can be no competition where the manufacturer has their own service as they will not supply the information outside of their own service organisations.

    It creates an monopoly in effect for the manufacturers as nobody can service many of their products without the relevant information, which they will not freely provide.

    When information is provided it is copyrighted and we are not allowed, by law, to pass the information on to customers that have bought those products in good faith or to share it with the servicing community.

    What you can do now is two things:

    • Vote in this poll on service information to voice your opinion
    • Read this article and cast your vote on the pricing of spare parts

    You buy these products and we feel that you have every right to have the machine serviced by whomever you choose, not who you are forced to use and, pay for.

    Comments before I publish it?

    K.

    #206198
    Martin
    Participant

    Re: Mickey Mouse Club

    kwatt wrote:Comments before I publish it?

    Well, without doubt another brilliant kwatt masterpiece that easily lays out the problem. But may I ask, where you intend it be published?

    #206199
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: Mickey Mouse Club

    Thanks Martin.

    It is for the site and of course will be given a good billing. I’m sure that it can be inserted into quite a few posts dealing with service information supply. 😉

    I am also seriously looking to release a press release on the subject.

    Feck it, I’ve had enough of this cr4p from them, it really is time that we bit back. I just hope that we can get the support to see it through.

    K.

    #206200
    iadom
    Moderator

    Re: Mickey Mouse Club

    Could with a comma instead of an ‘or’ in one place, 😉 other than than that it says all that needs to be said. 8)

    Jim.

    ( service bulletin, safety or recall notices) 😉

    #206201
    Martin
    Participant

    Re: Mickey Mouse Club

    kwatt wrote:I’m sure that it can be inserted into quite a few posts dealing with service information supply.

    Well bung it in this one ASAP… 😉

    http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … 529#123529

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