Beko machine with Invensys timer board

Re: Beko machine with Invensys timer board

I see. So, you want a machine that uses the same amount of water as your old one and uses huge amounts of energy to heat it?

It’s all moved on, Stylers. Instead of sploshing your clothes about in three gallons of water, you now have probably less than a gallon of water, being forced through the clothes. It’s more energy efficient but slower. As for a hot valve, what’s the point? The machine will have finished filling before the water comes down the pipe. Invensis make control boards to manufacturers specification – as do AKO, Remco and a few others. They’re actually irrelevant.

Consider, by the way, that were you to buy your Series 90 now, you’d pay about £600 and yet you have chosen to pay £200 for a cheap and cheerful Turkish import. I have to say, that you will always get what you are prepared to pay for.

You’ve invalidated your guarantee, BTW, as well. When this one’s fallen to bits in three years time, come back to us and ask what’s a good one.

Regards,
Penguin45.

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to be fair, hot fills just arent practical and never where

the scenrio?

a 6o degree wash, taking the water from the tank/drawn from combi

now, cos were soft here, we have both the heating and the water on full, well over the 60 degrees the machine needs

so wot happens?

does it take water thats far too hot, and will surely ruin your clothes?
or does it take just cold and heat it to the right temp, taking away any possibilty of customer error?

ive had people throw bags of ruined clothes at me, because, they, as consumers thinks it right to run hot water to their machine well over the wash temp

things have changed…. if you were to put a hot fill on , say one of those QUALITY indesits (and ive seen this, btw) the thermistor would sense his within 4 seconds, lock the machine out and just wouldnt work!

not all machines work badly , the basic principal is fantastic.. reduced energy, water consumption, cleaner clothes, quieter spins
its the manufacturing process that lets them down, cheap nasty badly built components, built badly because the consumer wants CHEAP

the technologies fine, just people wont pay for it, plain and simple

things like miele prove the point – theyre the price they are because miele have set out there stall – well built machines at prices to match

u’ll never convince the public that its their own fault theyre suffering!!

finally… a quote… a well used one.. most of us will have heard it in the field

” i bought this machine for £150 CASH and its broke down , and its only 4 yrs old – i want my money back “

say no more, this isnt a rant, just fact

Re: Beko machine with Invensys timer board

helo_75 wrote:to be fair, hot fills just arent practical and never where

the scenrio?

a 6o degree wash, taking the water from the tank/drawn from combi

now, cos were soft here, we have both the heating and the water on full, well over the 60 degrees the machine needs

so wot happens?

does it take water thats far too hot, and will surely ruin your clothes?
or does it take just cold and heat it to the right temp, taking away any possibilty of customer error?

ive had people throw bags of ruined clothes at me, because, they, as consumers thinks it right to run hot water to their machine well over the wash temp

things have changed…. if you were to put a hot fill on , say one of those QUALITY indesits (and ive seen this, btw) the thermistor would sense his within 4 seconds, lock the machine out and just wouldnt work!

not all machines work badly , the basic principal is fantastic.. reduced energy, water consumption, cleaner clothes, quieter spins
its the manufacturing process that lets them down, cheap nasty badly built components, built badly because the consumer wants CHEAP

the technologies fine, just people wont pay for it, plain and simple

things like miele prove the point – theyre the price they are because miele have set out there stall – well built machines at prices to match

u’ll never convince the public that its their own fault theyre suffering!!

finally… a quote… a well used one.. most of us will have heard it in the field

” i bought this machine for £150 CASH and its broke down , and its only 4 yrs old – i want my money back “

say no more, this isnt a rant, just fact

I rather think that the correct scenario is the 95 degree Whites programme. This is where the hot-fill comes into it own, especially where the older machines consumed gallons more water. This gave a much needed boost in order to reduce wash times. (It should of course be noted that a bio-prewash would be required to remove blood and stains before boiling).

Re: Beko machine with Invensys timer board

Penguin45 wrote:Given the advanced state of modern detergents, there is nothing that we own that needs to be boiled anymore. The only regular practical use of the 90/95c programme is to perform the monthly service wash to clean the machine itself. Cold fill is a small price to pay for that one high energy wash.

Penguin45.

Linen items, for example tablecloths, benefit from a boilwash.

For sterility in nursing, temperatures of 85 degrees C. are displayed on garments.

Asthmatics are told to opt for cotton sheets and bedding which can withstand high temperatures to kill dust-mites.

Oxygen based bleaches work better at high temperatures.

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It’s really only very heavily stained items I find that gain any benefit from a boil wash these days, but each to their own.

In all honesty I’ve reckoned that hot fill has been a waste of space since the mid eighties as, simply, people are lazy and won’t make sure that there is hot water at the pipe, so it fills with cold. On an automatic, even from the eighties, the water use was about 150 litres per cycle with one wash fill and three rinses usually, today that is now pretty much halved. So, IMO, hot fill is a waste of time.

It was great when we had the old toploaders and twin tubs which used half a reservoir per wash, but on an auto, na, no point.

Sterile washing, buy a pukka machine for the job if that’s what you want and it has to meet the WRAS regs to do so these days in environments where sterility is a real concern. Fact is that many nursing homes, NHS etc. all cop out by getting staff to wash their own when in fact they should be done in a proper manner in a machine that is dedicated to the job. Saves money, that’s it.

As for asthmatics, I don’t know as I’ve never studied the requirement or come across that one as yet.

K.

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60oC, like Domestos kills 99{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of all bugs then. 😉

Nice find Don, at least we now know the facts if anyone asks.

I was always told that the boil wash was for bleaching or dyeing stuff, I have in the past few years, gotten the impression that it being required to clean to a standard is pretty much a myth. Of course I could be wrong, but there seems little evidence to support the assertion that it is required for cleanliness of laundry in a normal domestic situation.

K.