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Hi,
I must say that this website has been very helpful so far with all the info provided. I am in the process of replacing my Miele W698 Hydromatic machine, it unfortunately suffered from the same fault three times (temperature controller). My confidence in Miele has been rocked slightly, which is why I am looking at the ISE. I should point out that the Machine is now 13yrs old though. its first failure was 3yrs after purchase the second failure was only Jan last year, and now it has failed again.
Now to the point, does the Miele W4144WPS or the ISE have a steel outer drum? On info about buying a new machine it is mentioned that this is a good feature.
I realise that the Miele is dearer than the ISE but the fact that it has a 10 year Guarantee currently has kept it in the running.
Are any machines these days sold with hot fill? My mother says there are, but I have yet to see one.
All replies most welcome.
SDM197.
Re: Miele W4144WPS vs ISE Machine
Hello there,
As far as I know, the W4144WPS supposedly has a new PLASTIC tub, with integral tub weights. The ISE models will have a plastic tub too.
A friend of mine bought a Whirlpool washing machine, because it was one of the few with hot & cold fill.
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Hi SDM, my apologies but I missed this one. 😕
Yes, the ISE does have a plastic tank but as Trilobite rightly points out so do a lot of the lower range Miele’s these days as well.
Hot fill is, in all honesty, pretty much a waste of time and I wouldn’t recommend that you base your decision around that. I think from memory that there’s an article on here somewhere about it and why to explain that fully. If not I suppose I better write one.
One thing to remember about the ISE/Miele comparison is that Miele spares are extremely expensive and servicing/technical information is just non-existent outside of Miele. We don’t subscribe to that point of view and feel that people should be able to have a choice, but if you buy one with the ten year warranty that’s not really a concern to an extent.
K.
Re: Miele W4144WPS vs ISE Machine
The new ISE10 has a stainless steel drum, ten year warranty and is of Miele quality ( or better) 😉
Jim.
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Hi,
thanks for the replies, right! now I am even more interested! When will the ISE 10 be available, and at what price?
I must say I am very interested in the concept of the ISE, although previously Miele do seem to have a good reputation. The W4144WPS is that definately not a steel outer drum? this I would say is one of the cheaper models but not the cheapest.
Also I am looking for a condenser tumble dryer, any recommendations?
All replies welcome
SDM197
Re: Miele W4144WPS vs ISE Machine
See what you’ve done now Jim! 😉
SDM,
The ISE 10 will be available late June, early July assuming that all goes to plan and there are no delays introduced.
In effect it is a new range, produced in Sweden that, in a domestic setting, carries a full insurance backed 10 year parts and labour warranty, hence ISE 10. It is an AAA 1600rpm 6Kg machine that is built, frankly, like a brick outhouse. The design life is 20 years and every component is rated to withstand in excess of 8000 cycles, I would expect at least 15 years of life in a normal domestic setting at the very least.
Simple control system in plain English, front drop down door with all the right boxes ticked. I’ve still to confirm it with further testing (which I am in the middle of) but a proper cotton 40 wash time will be about one hour, not a quickwash. The quickwash will take about 35 minutes.
The pricing is not yet totally set in stone, but expect just under £800. However with the build, features and warranty, it’s actually extremely good value.
Let me put it this way, I’ve worked in this industry for 20 plus years and there’s two machines that when asked for the very best built washer I will tell people about, the Miele, for which I’ve already outlined my reservations on and, this machine. The ISE 10 I believe is better than a Miele in performance and build whilst being just streets ahead on service and backup.
We will also at the same time be launching the condenser dryer to match with a stacking kit available. 😉
K.
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hi,
Thank you for the reply, that new ISE sounds fantastic I wish I could wait till its available, but I need a machine now.
I have decided to go for the Miele W4144WPS, I rang Miele this morning to confirm it had a stainless steel outer tub, the lady in sales said she thought it had, I explained I wanted a definitive answer so she put me through to technical.They assured me that it was stainless steel, however I have to say he did lose my confidence when he said all Miele machines have an outer tub in stainless steel.
Having never seen inside these machines as some of the posters on the forum have, I still don’t know for certain if the outer tub will be stainless steel on the machine I have selected, which is what Miele call a mid price unit.
Oh well, I will have to wait & see, it should still be a good machine hopefully.
SDM197
Re: Miele W4144WPS vs ISE Machine
Good choice sdm, especially as it has a free 10 year warranty at the moment.
Don
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kwatt wrote:See what you’ve done now Jim! 😉
SDM,
The ISE 10 will be available late June, early July assuming that all goes to plan and there are no delays introduced.
In effect it is a new range, produced in Sweden that, in a domestic setting, carries a full insurance backed 10 year parts and labour warranty, hence ISE 10. It is an AAA 1600rpm 6Kg machine that is built, frankly, like a brick outhouse. The design life is 20 years and every component is rated to withstand in excess of 8000 cycles, I would expect at least 15 years of life in a normal domestic setting at the very least.
Simple control system in plain English, front drop down door with all the right boxes ticked. I’ve still to confirm it with further testing (which I am in the middle of) but a proper cotton 40 wash time will be about one hour, not a quickwash. The quickwash will take about 35 minutes.
The pricing is not yet totally set in stone, but expect just under £800. However with the build, features and warranty, it’s actually extremely good value.
Let me put it this way, I’ve worked in this industry for 20 plus years and there’s two machines that when asked for the very best built washer I will tell people about, the Miele, for which I’ve already outlined my reservations on and, this machine. The ISE 10 I believe is better than a Miele in performance and build whilst being just streets ahead on service and backup.
We will also at the same time be launching the condenser dryer to match with a stacking kit available. 😉
K.
Would the ISE 10 actually be sourced from Swedish ASKO? If so, I want one – I’ll have to start saving now!
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Trilobite wrote:Would the ISE 10 actually be sourced from Swedish ASKO? If so, I want one – I’ll have to start saving now!
Yes it is being built for us by ASKO.
Personally I consider it to be the best front loading washing machine in the world, period. With the ideology of ISE behind it, unbeatable IMO.
K.
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kwatt wrote:
Trilobite wrote:
Would the ISE 10 actually be sourced from Swedish ASKO? If so, I want one – I’ll have to start saving now!Yes it is being built for us by ASKO.
Personally I consider it to be the best front loading washing machine in the world, period. With the ideology of ISE behind it, unbeatable IMO.
K.
I’ve seen comments from American forums generally praising the ASKO dishwashers; and European users praising the washers.
I saw a brochure for the USA market, and the dishwashers seem to have more steel about their interior, including spray-arm feed pipes, etc.
In my experience, plastic components (spray arms, filters) just do not last as long as metal ones.
Is there any chance that you may also look into a suitable (ASKO-sourced) dishwasher? Preferably one that can really blast off the starch-based food residues; pasta seems to leave a ‘plaque’ on pans and plates that even the enzyme detergents and intensive washes cannot properly remove. 😉
Ps. I’m somewhat intrigued by the mention of the Miele W4144WPS having a steel tub; I saw an article aimed at the American market, which made comment on the new ‘integrated tub weights moulded directly into the tub’. This, to me, brings up visions of a moulded polypropylene outer tub. It would not be the first time that a manufacturer’s customer-care department has been mis-informed.
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Trilobite wrote:I saw a brochure for the USA market, and the dishwashers seem to have more steel about their interior, including spray-arm feed pipes, etc.
In my experience, plastic components (spray arms, filters) just do not last as long as metal ones.
Is there any chance that you may also look into a suitable (ASKO-sourced) dishwasher? Preferably one that can really blast off the starch-based food residues; pasta seems to leave a ‘plaque’ on pans and plates that even the enzyme detergents and intensive washes cannot properly remove. 😉
It will be with us later this year, it’s already in the works.
The model we have specified will have the intensive pot/pan feature so far as I am aware, as well as the extra jet for the cutlery basket. I have yet to see the definitive spec and product but I have a similar model ready to test soon.
All the components wherever possible on the entire ISE 10 range will be steel, not plastic and tested to the same exacting standards with the same life expectancy.
K.
Re: Miele W4144WPS vs ISE Machine
Hello Everybody! The Miele W 4144 has the drum and the outer drum in stainless steel with iron counterbalances. All Miele machines have the stainless drum assembly. The ones having the outer drum made by fiberglass (not plastic) are the two giant sized machines made for the U.S. market. I have the W 4446 and I’m really very happy with it.
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