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hotpoint wd 440 jan 2005
took out drum , the spider was so eaten away , two thirds competely gone, there was nearly half a bucket full of granulated alloy in the bottom of the tub , were they washing in sulfuric acid ?
anyone else had this ? what could cause it?Re: corrosion…. never seen it so bad
I see loads of them, very soft water, using liquids, especially cheapo liquids and washing everything a low temperature with quick wash and economy features.
I still change 3 to 5 WM drum supports a week in this area. I have seen the odd one where all that was left was the steel shaft with a small lump of allloy and the bolts.
Fairly bad one here.
And here.
Worse here. http://tinyurl.com/2vnvon
Did yours have the large, heavy WMA type support or the pathetic, thin Indesit spider fitted?
Here is a WMA spider that came from an 18 month old WMA32.
Jim.Re: corrosion…. never seen it so bad
Is it just Merloni spiders, or do Lux ones suffer to? Down here, (the ‘hard water’ area), Zanussi spiders rarely fail from scaling (even if Calgon claim they do). 90{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of spider breakage failures are Hotpoint based machines and the customer uses liquid detergent and low temperatures. 😉 Zanussi spiders seem to be made of better materials.
What do you think Jim??Steve.
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yes it was the thin type, i dont know how it held together long enough to end up like it did
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I think it is due to the thickness, quality and also the construction of the spider, the more hollows and grooves it has the more it holds the gunge that eventually corrodes it. I have even changed the very thick spider on a German made AEG on a couple of occasions, very similar to the WMA spider. I have to say I have yet to see a WMA spider fail, the picture I posted of a WMA spider was still as solid as a rock, it was changed due to bearing failure. I have seen drum support failures on most types except BSH group machines. I don’t get any calls to Miele but I suspect they would not suffer in this way. 😉
Only a few weeks ago I went to a Hotpoint WF000 with a banging drum complaint, gave the drum a quick spin by hand and it was flopping around all over the place. It was a certain drum support failure, or so I thought. I stripped the machine down expecting to find it had the manky Indesit spider in it, but no, it was a kosher WMA type spider in perfect condition. I am still at a loss as to how this machine worked for 18 months before it failed. There was no sign of any drum to spider bolts to be found. Nothing in the sump and I am certain this was the first time the machine had been stripped down.
If you fit a new spider to a WMA drum you do need to knock it into place on the spider so that the countersunk holes in the drum mate with the holes in the spider. I have heard of more than one instance of these machines being shipped out without bearing seals, but without any bolts in the drum, it just doesn’t seem possible. :rolls: 😥
Funny thing is, I had to finally post the DNR sign over a 27 year old Hotpoint 18370 last week, ( they now have a shiny new ISE of course). The backplate, bearings and drum support, even the black rubber door seal are all original. Timer failure finally killed the old girl off. 😥
Jim.
PS. I prefer DNR to BER 😉
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Presumably on one that old it stands for DiNosauR…….. Tony at EMW has still got the timers for these.
Chris.
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It would have been cruel to prolong its life Chris, I have been out to it twice in the past 18 months after all, 😆 I fitted a Qualtex armature to it over 20 years ago and never went near it for 6 years afterwards, had to replace the armature again last year along with drain pump. It really was time to say goodbye. 😥 😥 😥
Jim.
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I’ve got a question for you Jim. from your picture you seem to have got a wma spider off in one HOW? I always have to grind the bolts through
wilf
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wilf………..You just give the bolts a good wack with a large hammer & a drift (onto the head of torx bolt) Before undoing. If the torx head is u/s I just drill them out.
The drum spiders in my experience seem to suffer from metal fatigue only when liquid detergent is used …..for some strange reason!
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wilf wrote:I’ve got a question for you Jim. from your picture you seem to have got a wma spider off in one HOW? I always have to grind the bolts through
wilf
I drill the heads of with an 8mm titanium bit. Used to use the bullitt drill bits but they used to last for two or the bolts if you were lucky. The titanium drill bit from B&Q lasts ages and goes through the bolt head in no time and is not much more than the bullitt bits which they seem to have stopped stocking at my local B&Q.
Jim.
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trotter wrote:
The drum spiders in my experience seem to suffer from metal fatigue only when liquid detergent is used …..for some strange reason!
Have you not done the ‘detergents course’ ? There is no bleach in any type of liquid, coupled with very soft (acid) water and low temperatures, asking for trouble.
Jim.
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still finding drum supports absolutely broken, cracked, one arm off two cracked, and as above all three broken, just the stub left. water is ok, not too hard locally.flints and chester. looks like detergent and cool wash, i’ll ask for more info from users one the next one…which will be soooon 🙂
richard
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