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May 8, 2008 at 11:56 am #36593
Manfred_v_R
Participant200802170118:25:35
Name: Manfred
Email: Manfred_v_R@lavabit.comBrand: Fisher & Paykel
Type: Pride
Model Number: MW511
Serial Number: MRA799334
Size: 5.5 kgFirst had this machine delivered to me, new, about October of 2003. All went very smoothly for about a 18 months, when I noticed the water would stop intermittently during initial fill up.
While “thinking something of this”, it still worked until…..the cycle would be interrupted, and would not continue – unless restarted. What would happen, it would started beeping incessantly with two of the lights showing – the Second from the left, green, the second from the right, Orange.
But this would only happen ‘mid cycle’. Then it has got to the stage, after numerous ‘sessions’ of having to ‘supervise’ the washing from beginning to end (in case of this), that this beeping will start immediately it’s turned on.
I found by having the water on prior to switching it on, would stop this phenomenon, and it was okay – for about 2 washes then the BS started again.
Thinking the hassle was to do with the water sensor, but, not being able to find anything by way of ‘specs’ for this machine, I’ve assumed the problem is electronic, so I’ve taken the button-board off by removing the screws on either side to look underneath.
For a little while, removing the attachment of the leads from the ‘works’ under this PCB to it (at the white ‘clasp’ part that attaches to the left side [looking down on it while it’s held upside down]) would somehow fix the ‘beeping’ phenomenon.
But then this crap would start again – irrespective of me doing that as often as it would not start (without beeping incessantly as described above).
So I tried something else: one day I moved, by chance, that tube to the right side when looking down, on the ‘works’ under the PCB button console (the one which has the little black wire [or whatever]) inside of it.
Moving that around seemed to fix the problem for a few washes.
I had several go right through from beginning to end without a hitch.
Although after about 15 minutes of it being left on after the whole cycle had finished, that beeping would start again – and keep going on, incessantly, until turned off at the power.
As per instructions from the start during 2003, I’d have every 5th wash or so, using warm water – as I’d prefer to wash cold.
I’ve noticed the pressure from the hot water when filling is much more than the cold water.
I urgently need to fix this machine, knowing that “it has to be something simple”, yet don’t want one of those ‘repairmen’ to show up, and spin some ‘PC crap’ as regards “The board is gone & you might as well by a new one” (as in a whole new washing machine) when I’m sure the anomaly is for a simple reason, for which there is a simple solution. Edt 18:41:04, 18:55:22
*18:42:26. However I’ve had other problems as well, which include
1. the water being pumped out, after the agitation has only being going a few minutes;
2. The cycle stopping after the agitation cycles and having to be manually moved (by a complete restart with adjustment of water level [to stop it overfilling]
a. From High to Low…
3. …to the Rinse/Spin part of the cycle.
4. The Agitation cycle would ‘attempt’ to start after insufficient time had lapsed during the water fill up stage, and there was too little water in the washing machine for washing to occur properly
5. The Agitation cycle would not start right away after filling up (irrespective of whether enough water had filled the bowl) but would be like a car that’s engine would not ‘fire up’ immediately but needed 5-7 starting attempts. 19:00:14, edt 200805080520:46:44Once it would get into spin it would keep going until the process had completed. 18:45:58
*18:55:41. However, after the ‘adjustment’ by attaching & reattaching those components to which I referred above, that particular syndrome seemed to have been solved.
I’d also noticed I’d have a lot less trouble when using warm water (hot & cold) instead of just cold.
With me thinking that the pressure from the hot-water tape, via its own hose, being greater, compared to the water pressure from the cold water tap, via its hose, which is less, had something to do with it.
200805080520:48:58. I’ve not been able to use this machine for several months now, and have called no-one out. I’m confident the problem is the failure or mal-adjustment of ‘something small’. I hope that someone will be able to direct me to a solution.
I have corresponded with Fisher & Paykel maintenance personnel – they’ve purported that it’s “not possible” to diagnose a problem by pure description alone, notwithstanding my description of the operational anomaly was comprehensive. 200805080520:51:28
May 8, 2008 at 6:38 pm #251605iadom
ModeratorRe: F & P Pride MW511 -small but mysterious cause of mal
As your IP suggests you are in Oz I have moved your post to the relevant forum, a better chance of useful replies here.
Jim.
May 8, 2008 at 8:28 pm #251606Penguin45
ParticipantRe: F & P Pride MW511 -small but mysterious cause of mal
Read the sticky at the top of the forum, run the diagnostics, tell us what you get.
Penguin45.
May 13, 2008 at 1:57 pm #251607Manfred_v_R
ParticipantRe: F & P Pride MW511 -small but mysterious cause of mal
Penguin45 wrote:Read the sticky at the top of the forum, run the diagnostics, tell us what you get.
Penguin45.
Hello Penguin – which particular sticky post do I need to look at please? I’ve had a look for one which has reference to ‘running the diagnostics’ but wasn’t able to find that. 200805130323:57:06
May 13, 2008 at 4:56 pm #251608iadom
ModeratorRe: F & P Pride MW511 -small but mysterious cause of mal
Its this one, its called, rather confusingly,
Jim.
June 8, 2008 at 1:31 am #251609Manfred_v_R
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200806080111:26:57
Hello Jim. I read the Diagnostics section, specific to my Fischer & Paykel MW511 Pride. However, I’m not able to use any of those button combinations to any effect, because all the bloody thing does, within about 2 seconds of turning it on, is beep incessantly with lights from the left #02 & #07 flashing.
So two lights flashing like that must mean something. Would you tell what that is please?
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June 8, 2008 at 7:24 am #251610kiwireeferman
ParticipantRe: F & P Pride MW511 -small but mysterious cause of mal
Replace motor controller.
June 9, 2008 at 5:12 am #251611Manfred_v_R
ParticipantRe: F & P Pride MW511 -small but mysterious cause of mal
20086090215:06:42
Hello kiwireeferman, and thanks for the reply. Is the motor controller the touch board (of buttons) with that craftily hemmed-in-underneath PCB? Edt 15:11:56
Or is it something else please?
15:09:59. I had a look at the online shop, and didn’t even see Fisher & Paykel listed. I hope the replacement component is something I’d be able to find easily. I’ve not been able to use my washing machine for months, and consider that Fisher & Paykel did not have ‘longevity’ in mind when they designed & assembled this particular product. 15:11:30, 15:12:03
June 9, 2008 at 8:40 am #251612Penguin45
ParticipantRe: F & P Pride MW511 -small but mysterious cause of mal
Motor controller is the lower pcb. As UKW is a United Kingdom based site, it would be rather impractical to try and organise Australasian spares from over here.
Penguin45.
June 9, 2008 at 10:48 pm #251613Manfred_v_R
ParticipantRe: F & P Pride MW511 -small but mysterious cause of mal
200806100308:12:45
Hello Penguin. Thanks for that information. Yes, I’ve seen the lower PCB, during the occasions of taking the touch pad off, and seeing what was under it. Edt 08:39:18 While thinking that replacing such a part would not cost so much, if ‘realistically’ priced, knowing the totally ‘throw-away’ mentality of electronic components these days, about £09.75 is all it would be worth – I’m interested as to what particular part of that PCB would have failed, as in resistor, transistor, integrated circuit or diode – with a view to replacing just that ‘bit’. Edt 08:40:19 I have a soldering iron here, with some (limited [to date]) experience with taking out as well as, putting in such individual electronic parts.
So if you have an idea as to what part of that PCB had failed, would you let me know, please?
Otherwise, what scope is there for getting a new PCB from some Australian supplier?
I know what I DON’T want to hear from anyone, is that “The Board has gone, it would be $AUD400.00 to replace, and it was therefore beyond economical repair” as I got from some sleep deprived whitegoods repairman I went to see one day several years ago, whose email inbox was so full, messages were being returned, and who didn’t be bother to answer his text messages. Edt 08:32:44
Since it seems it’s left up to the individual finding pertinent information from user forums these days to suitably troubleshoot hassles with their hardware (while manufacturers make such hardware, very deliberately, to fail after an unrealistic short time), I’m seeking this kind of information from people such as yourselves. Edt 08:29:04, 08:33:16
As I know that the likes of Fisher & Paykel have no interest in that they have made a washing machine that was never intended to last anymore than about 18 months.
Only because some small component failed.
*08:46:54. I find it ‘fascinating’ that such criminal agenda continues – and that they don’t go broke because of this. *08:47:37
I bet if some guy from Fisher & Paykel turned up, he’d have no idea as to what, specifically, had failed with the motor-controller board, and would probably replace the whole board. Edt 08:33:45
*08:33:48. Such persons just don’t give a damn, either – time is money to them – such an accursed attitude! *08:34:31
While having the gall to charge, whatever, to ‘ring the door bell’. Edt 08:35:03
My parents have a washing machine they got during 1983 that is still working. Edt 08:38:23
So I think you’d know I’m really furious about this washing machine failing – only because something small, had stopped working properly.
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June 9, 2008 at 11:35 pm #251614Penguin45
ParticipantRe: F & P Pride MW511 -small but mysterious cause of mal
Ah – issues…….
A private individual has the time to get into these boards and with sufficient knowledge, identify individual component failure, get components and repair the boards. Most professional repairers simply do not have the luxury of that much time.
Here in the UK, there is some sort of computer in just about every appliance available. One of the things that this site helps to do for the professional repairers is identify basic failures that can be easily and quickly repaired – Bosch and Zanussi dishwasher boards spring to mind. These have known issues which are easily rectified, to benefit of the customers.
This particular forum is something of an oddity – it’s run from the UK; we don’t even have these machines in the UK. Well, we do – I have two locally… both imports from Oz with owners to match. It really is just a courtesy ‘cos we actually stand to gain nothing from it, apart from an insight into other peoples’ laundry habits 😀 .
If you use the Search facility, you will find that there are several posters who repair these boards at a significant saving in Oz and NZ – this may be your cheapest option if you aren’t electronically minded.
Anyway, go easy on the repairers – you’re posting on our site and we don’t like getting rollocked……. 😀
Penguin45.
June 10, 2008 at 12:28 am #251615boyo1
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As a further insight into repair versus replace, I am sure you would find that the man hours cost of identifying and carrying out one-of repairs would be extremely expensive and probably at multiples of the cost of a refurbished boards. These boards are refurbished by personel who have expert knowledge of the product and the dedicated test equipment to analyse and test the boards. Don’t be hard on the serviceman – he is only trying to eek out a living like everyone else. After all you wouldn’t do some thing for nothing or at a cost that wouldn’t get you ahead would you. I have located Fisher and Paykel servive centres in NZ that can supply me a refurbished GW609 board for $130 and a new one for $170.
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