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  • #4820
    Dave_Conway
    Participant

    I recieved this today 😯

    Anyone like to comment before it gets posted.

    Cheers.

    Dave.

    annon wrote:i dont want certain work providers to know where this info came from but i would like it on the web site.

    the rates that anglo iberian are paid by majority of there manufacturers are in excess of £40 per call,LOFRA £40 +vat CDA £45+vat MFI £50+vat
    insurance companies are invoiced by anglo £50 +30{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} on parts,these have come from ex employee and i have seen copies of the paperwork.
    its not right that a WP should take 1/3 of the pay to handle that side of it.

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    #105361
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Nope, go for it and see what shakes out.

    K.

    #105362
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: Anglo Iberian

    I had a feeling that AIS had been raised here before, a golden oldie you could say, much like certain people who read in here. 😆

    Anyway, I have a choice to make on this currently.

    Make a stand for the trade as a whole or capitulate to a pay cut, just because that’s the way it is.

    My capitulation skills are a little rusty I’m afraid.

    I’m sorry but this thing with the PABL/AIS rates is just bang right out of fucking order and on top of the NESN pay cut what the fuck are these people thinking at all? This has to be addressed.

    Alex, you’re in a prime position to have a go about this as well and these guys need to be made to think for themselves a little and not be friggin’ sheep. Or more like lambs to the slaughter as, if they accept this shite, they may as well be.

    The NESN pay cut has been accepted, now one from AIS/PABL, who’s next, Electrolux, CDSL, Whirlpool? Fuck me, if one or two can get away with it why don’t they all have a go?

    Wake up and smell the fucking roses people, cheap appliances are here and they wany cheap service to go with them. If we capitulate on it then we may as well plan to retire in two or three years because that’s what’s going to happen simplay as there will be no choice in it, or you go and work for British Gas.

    So, I’ve had a few borbouns this evening and I’ll catagorically state here and now that unless we, in here, get very fucking vocal very fucking quickly we won’t have to worry about the people we employ, our nice car or our mortage as we won’t fookin’ have them, it’s that goddam simple. Just how long do think the service industry can sustain no increases in pay on top of cuts like this? How long could you survive a 12.5{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} pay cut? Do many of us actually turn in more than that in profit per annum on service alone?

    I will be talking to Graham on Monday and, if the answers are not correct, I’ll be pulling the plug on AIS. It will also be very public and very nasty should that have to happen as I won’t miss and hit the wall, PABL will also not exactly come out as shining stars either.

    I don’t want to fuck them off, but I won’t be having the piss taken like that.

    K.

    #105363
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: Anglo Iberian

    Bollocks, email away to GS with this…

    angry kwatt wrote:Graham,

    Any official comment other that what’s been posted by others? Questions are being asked and not just by me, I’m only relaying the comments made by many others along with my own concerns and I hope it’s PABL that’s causing an issue here as there are a few that are desperately unhappy with the situation.

    You’ll also note that “greaseater” who is employed by PABL has not commented on the rates adding further fuel to the fire with the sentiment in the camp being that they are the ones at fault here.

    To put this in perspective for you, beside the training thing I sent you earlier, there is some things about to happen for UKW which will increase its reach within the trade exponentially and this will be read a lot I should imagine. Hence it’s better that you se it now.

    K.

    As well as the entire thread attached!

    Angry, no not me… I’m FUCKING LIVID!!!

    K.

    #105364
    Alex
    Participant

    Re: Anglo Iberian

    kwatt wrote:I had a feeling that AIS had been raised here before, a golden oldie you could say, much like certain people who read in here. :lol:…………..

    Alex, you’re in a prime position to have a go about this as well and these guys need to be made to think for themselves a little and not be friggin’ sheep. Do many of us actually turn in more than that in profit per annum on service alone?
    K.

    Oi less of the golden oldies.

    Yes I bit the bullet and terminated AIS 12 months ago. Was very reluctant, as I thought Graham was a gentleman. Therefore I tried a professional approach. 1st I voiced my concerns over the phone, took ages to get hold of him. After a few hollow promises and suggestions I got nowhere. He advised it maybe an idea to keep back all paperwork for three months and invoice at new rate, which by the way had not been announced. That made me suspicious.

    Then after nothing and deadlines passing, I wrote to him and enclosed a list of who pays us what where his competitors are concerned. No answer.

    Phoned a couple of times, spoke to Jan and asked G.S. to call me back, never happened.

    I wrote and gave 3 Months notice, and that was that, they never even answered my letter. The vibe I got from that was, Graham is like me a businessman, and is driven by the bottom line. He like me looks at who he feels would become a casualty, and makes corporate decisions. That is what I have done.

    Since the AIS days, have been approached by Maurice Lay for Caple and by CDA, better rates altogether. In addition I was doing MFI work through AIS at £6 less, as soon as the AIS option ended, the work came in direct.

    AIS do not have an agent in my area now, so most of the work is hitting me direct, and I can pick and choose. Regards Caple, if it is chargeable Maurice lay give out our phone number.

    The moral of the story is:- Do not let these work providers undervalue your business.

    There is no point in being inordinately busy, losing quality work whilst chasing around for silly money. I don’t expect my staff to be undervalued, and I will not have it either. If they pay peanuts, they will get monkeys. I feel we have evolved into something that deserves a little more recognotion.

    Next on my agenda is awork provider from the West Midlands who pay £36 electric, and a measly £38 gas, and the work is predominately range cooking.

    Another thing, I don’t suffer fools gladly. If we are treated like pond life, I move on. Brandt is a case in point.

    There is a thing somewhere in the forums re AIS, if it is resurrected I will paste some of the above accordingly.

    Alex

    #105365
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Read the “Homark” thread Alex.

    And I totally agree with you, if push comes to shove I will ditch AIS as the guys hate that Bernstein shite anyway.

    K.

    #105366
    Alex
    Participant

    kwatt wrote:Read the “Homark” thread Alex.

    K.

    I did, but thought it inappropriate to slag AIS within that thread. If the postings there lean any further towards AIS Iwill do it. Just trying not to make it look like I’m mischiefmaking.

    Alex

    #105367
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    True, I’ll also see what GS comes back with and report back here.

    K.

    #105368
    Dave_Conway
    Participant

    Re: Anglo Iberian

    *cough splutter*

    Read my first post in this thread,

    I have no reason at all to discredit GS as a person but as far as I am concerned he’s been on the “rip off” from day one.

    Can’t be arsed to talk to Alex, accusations of taking massive management fees, phoning me all the time to do TA postcodes even though I tell AIS to phone sedgemoors’s 😆 and TALK to Alex

    Feck ’em, low volume shite anyway, who needs it.

    Dave.

    #105369
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Let’s see what happens tomorrow first and go from there but I simply will not be doing the Bernstein product range without being properly paid for it.

    K.

    #105370
    Flipper
    Participant

    Would be interested in the reaction from AIS .

    #105371
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    So far, nadda. 🙁

    K.

    #105372
    Alex
    Participant

    Re: Anglo Iberian

    To be frank, I wouldn’t expect anything else.

    That is exactly the way I found it when I made overtures to Graham I was not happy.

    Suspect he has his head in the sand.

    We now get phone calls from his service manager (Terry), asking us if we would oblige at double rate. I’ve said no because if I accept just one call, I will be deemed as an agent.

    They had their chance & blew it.

    Alex

    #105373
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: Anglo Iberian

    Terry is history Alex! He’s been gone a couple of months I think, no loss I suspect as I think he did more harm than good.

    I’m out tomorrow all day at a meeting but I may well call Graham on Wedensday if I don’t get a relply and see how the land lies, although I will find another excuse for the call to instigate it.

    In the end Graham’s a nice bloke that I have time for, but I am not prepared to lose money on account of any WP, regardless of who they are. Plus I’m sick of hear, “not more Bernstein shite” 🙄

    K.

    #105374
    Dave_Conway
    Participant

    Re: Anglo Iberian

    WTF are these idiots playing at now then 👿

    Richard Dalley wrote:Dear All,

    Following on from successful negotiations with Anglo Iberian, we are pleased to announce that we have secured a contract rate increase. In line with current policy, we will be using this increase to benefit our Agent Network.

    The following labour rates can be charged for calls received after 1st September 2005:

    Standard repair (electrical / mechanical / cosmetic) £38.00

    Gas repair £45.00

    Refrigeration system (additional to standard repair) £20.00

    All rates are per completed call and exclude VAT.

    No problem there you think…BUT !! currently AIS are paying us directly for this work at:

    Standard £35
    Gas £40

    So, I may as well not work for AIS at all and do it all via ISDAL, but how much is AIS’s management fee you may ask ? In fact I will if I don’t see a response about this.

    Stuck it in here for now I nearly posted it in the “open” but I want to see what the reaction is generally first as this won’t stay quiet for long.

    Dave.

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