washing machine timer

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  • #50785
    Alan Bull
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    The timer has gone on my Zanussi Z918T washing machine. I cannot get the info I want from them.
    1. I’ve gently clicked the timer knob on to the next stage periodally. Will this damage the machine further?
    2. Roughly how long should each part of the G program last?

    Thank you.

    #305979
    iadom
    Moderator

    Re: washing machine timer

    Does the timer stick if set to a rinse or spin only programme?

    #305980
    Alan Bull
    Participant

    It sticks at every stage. It only moves on when I gently advance the timer knob.

    #305981
    hotpointtom
    Participant

    Re: washing machine timer

    Hi Alan,

    Here is a link to the technical information and timer sequence for your machine. Hope this is of some help/interest to you.


    I can also find the parts diagram and relavent technical bulletins if required.

    Tom.

    #305982
    iadom
    Moderator

    Re: washing machine timer

    If it sticks during final spin then the timer is almost certainly faulty.

    #305983
    Alan Bull
    Participant

    Thank you. It looks a bit complicated for me, I’m not very practical.
    I’ll have a study and see if I can work out the approximate timings.
    Presumably, I’m ok to move the timer knob manually

    #305984
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: washing machine timer

    Wow, I’m amazed there’s any of those old Washcraft machines still in use, but the sticking timer is probably the timer motor that’s failed.

    Given the machine is the best part of 30 years old you won’t get many parts, the only thing I’ve seen available is a door gasket and a drain pump, maybe bearings. Beyond that, you will almost certianly be out of luck.

    Advancing the timer manually, while possible to do, isn’t advisable as it can sit on wash for too long and, ultimately, I expect this will lead to the demise of other components. That said, at the age of it it’s on its last legs anyway so I doubt it’d make any difference really.

    When you do replace it, don’t think that a new Zanussi will give the same sort of service because it won’t. Those old machines were built when they made properly robust machines, they don’t do that these days.

    HTH

    K.

    #305985
    Alan Bull
    Participant

    Thank you. The machine is only (only?) 26 years old!
    I’ll see if it lasts a bit longer.

    #305986
    hotpointtom
    Participant

    Re: washing machine timer

    If the timer motor has failed, these were/are available as a separate part. I’ll have a look into this.

    The reason these machines live so long is because they are so simple and have no electronics. The large induction motors seem to go on forever. They don’t seem to rust as badly as other machines of the same age either.

    In fact quite a few parts are still available for these machines, but with many pre-Electrolux Zanussi appliances you have to manually convert the old 6 digit Zanussi part number into the newer (current) 11 digit Electrolux part number in order to find them.

    I have managed to purchase quite a few parts for my Z9191T using the above method. In fact the later newline (FL812, FL1012 etc), early Jetsystem (FJ1013, ZFL1023 etc) and Electrolux WH series use many of the same parts that the Washcrafts used.

    Tom.

    #305987
    helo_75
    Participant

    no electronics?

    #305988
    hotpointtom
    Participant

    Re: washing machine timer

    Well the Washcraft series are just an electro-mechanical timer, start/run capacitor and induction motor aren’t they? I certainly can’t find any electronics on my Washcraft, although mine does have the variable clutch pulley on the motor because it’s a 1000rpm model.

    I know the FL1012 was just about the first Zanussi to use a standard brush motor with electronic speed controller, although they did produce a version of the Z9292T with a brush motor for a short while. The 800rpm models continued to use an induction motor for a few more years in the FL812 etc.

    #305989
    Alan Bull
    Participant

    Zanussi couldn’t tell me what I needed to know which was how long each part of the program runs for approximately. I usually use the G program. I intended to use my stopwatch to move on to each section manually.
    I also asked them the recommended retail price of a new timer because I’ve seen these on the internet with great variations in price.
    Zanussi referred me to their service people but I’ve had no reply/

    #305990
    hotpointtom
    Participant

    Re: washing machine timer

    There were two types of timer fitted to these machines. One is an AKO and the other is a Crouzet. Zanussi don’t recommended changing an AKO timer for a Crouzet.
    Electrolux Distriparts list price for the Crouzet timer part number 50098606002 is £166.50.
    Electrolux Distriparts list price for the AKO timer part number 50099519006 is £172.18.
    Obviously you’d need to take the lid off the machine to see which timer it has.

    At this age, it’s probably not worth spending that much on a new timer, it might not even cure the fault. The cheaper option is to try and find a new timer motor if you can.

    Zanussi won’t be able to tell you how long each section of the programme runs for. This is an old machine produced before Electrolux took over and the only technical info available is the PDF link I provided in my first post. The duration of each position on your timer is listed under ‘time interval’ next to the timer sequence chart.

    Tom.

    #305991
    hotpointtom
    Participant

    Re: washing machine timer

    Ok, here are the inching times for your timer starting from Programme ‘G’ and ending after the final spin.


    G * + 4′ Water Normal Level + Energetic Low Speed
    — X + 0 – 2′ Water Normal Level + Delicate Low Speed + Heat 40c
    — 8′ Water Normal Level + Energetic Low Speed
    — 2′ Cooldown + Uni Low Speed
    — 2′ Drain + Uni Low Speed
    H * + 4′ Water High Level + Energetic Low Speed
    — 2′ Drain + Uni Low Speed
    — 1′ Drain + Spin
    — 1′ Drain
    — * + 4′ Water High Level + Energetic Low Speed
    — 2′ Drain + Uni Low Speed
    — 1′ Drain + Spin
    — * + 3′ Water High Level + Energetic Low Speed
    — 2′ Drain + Uni Low Speed
    — 1′ Drain + Spin
    I * + 1′ Water Normal Level + Energetic Low Speed
    — 4′ (3)’ Water High Level + Energetic Low Speed
    L 2′ Drain + Uni Low Speed
    — 2′ Drain + Spin
    — 4′ Drain + Spin (800rpm)
    — STOP

    Each line indicates a position on the timer.

    The asterisk indicates the filling time of the machine. i.e. the timer doesn’t start up until the water fills to the first level.

    The ‘X’ means the time needed to heat the water to the correct temperature (in this case 40 degrees). The thermostop will prevent the timer moving on until this temperature is reached.

    So for example, on the first line, * indicates the time taken to fill up + 4 minutes of tumble time. The timer will then move on to the next position and line.

    Hope this is of help to you,

    Tom.

    #305992
    Alan Bull
    Participant

    Thank you very much Tom. You’ve been very knowledgeable and useful. I’ll study your latest reply and try it out.
    As you say, new bits might not be worth getting because something else might go.
    I don’t want to get a new machine while the present is more or less working.
    Thank you again.
    Alan

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