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February 8, 2010 at 11:25 pm #52348
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ParticipantWhy is it that the price of fuel has crept up to a level that is the highest i can remember and no one seems to be making any noise about it. Around here (London/Kent) its around £1:13-£1:14 a litre of diesel. When all the hauliers were up in arms and threatening blockades i dont think it was even a pound a litre was it?
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February 8, 2010 at 11:45 pm #311425kwatt
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No, during the last fuel protest the price was approaching 90p a litre IIRC. I’d have to check back to make sure though.
The problem is public perception.
Couple that with green taxation “justifying” the price hikes.
The fact that we all think we’re killing polar bears as we drive, buy something or even flush the loo and you have a grip of the basic problem. It is of course much, much more complex than that simplification but, the point is, that a huge number of people don’t care or even think that it’s right that fuel should be so expensive.
Fossil fuels are a dwindling resource however and, regardless of you want to slice it, the price will only rise through time as it becomes scarcer or more costly to deliver.
It’s all a very interesting conundrum from an economist’s (not one that counts numbers) standpoint as you watch governments try to adapt policies to fit the new order and try to keep inflation in check amidst a sea of other issues raised by oil prices rising.
Perhaps we should just do what the hauliers do, charge a fuel surcharge on every call? They will charge 2{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} on every delivery usually to cover the increase in fuel prices.
Let me make this very clear though, I am not anti-conservationalist or anti-environment in any way, shape or form. I am however extremely opposed to some of the tactics being employed, the scaremongering and the use of “global warming” to raise taxation with no environmental benefit whatsoever. If government wanted an answer to the problem and wanted clean/cleaner energy then they’d invest the tax raised in the endeavour, they don’t. They spend it winning votes or moats, apparently.
Yes, cynical. With good cause until proven otherwise.
K.
February 9, 2010 at 7:51 am #311426eastlmark
ModeratorRe: The Price Of Fuel
subs wrote:Why is it that the price of fuel has crept up to a level that is the highest i can remember and no one seems to be making any noise about it. Around here (London/Kent) its around £1:13-£1:14 a litre of diesel. When all the hauliers were up in arms and threatening blockades i dont think it was even a pound a litre was it?
Subs
you have a short memory Subs, In summer 2008, diesel was approaching £1.40 a litre with petrol at around £1.20.
February 9, 2010 at 8:34 am #311427funkyboogy
ParticipantRe: The Price Of Fuel
wheres the money going ??
we see them every day …benifit scroungers ..
motability car out side, mostly 50 inch flat screens, cartons of bootleged fags lying around..oh and the big fat sploudger that waves you in as they cant get of their sofa due the massive fry up theyve just ate ..
teenage son sitting in living room playing xbox not a hope of wanting a job as see dad raking it in on benefits ….teenage daughter changing nappy of 2nd child..
makes me sick paying for this lot…and dont get me started on the rest that shouldnt be here…ally
February 9, 2010 at 8:56 am #311428squadman
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Kwatt Said:
Let me make this very clear though, I am not anti-conservationalist or anti-environment in any way, shape or form. I am however extremely opposed to some of the tactics being employed, the scaremongering and the use of “global warming” to raise taxation with no environmental benefit whatsoever. If government wanted an answer to the problem and wanted clean/cleaner energy then they’d invest the tax raised in the endeavour, they don’t. They spend it winning votes or moats, apparently.
Yes, cynical. With good cause until proven otherwise.
Yes your right of course this global warming issue is disputed by leading scientists and it is very unfortunate for the UK population that this goverment have seized the opportunity to use this to claw money in the form of so called Green Taxes, when you look closely I see nothing that this goverment does that can be described as Green, if this world were near catastrophic disaster ALL goverments would soon implement real green polices and without reiterating what I have said before there are so many things available now that could reduce carbon output at a fraction of the cost of what we are being ripped off for !
The trouble with real green polices and technologies is that there is little money in it for goverments and even less for the big boys who generate power and all the time this scenario exists the public will be the whipping boys who pay as these vultures see fit.
Now I must get back to planning the revolution !
February 9, 2010 at 9:57 am #311429kwatt
KeymasterRe: The Price Of Fuel
Oh I meant to say that…
If you look back closely you will find that fuel duty was increased by 2{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} to offset the VAT reduction when the sky was falling.
That increase was not removed when the VAT was put back to 17.5{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}.
So, basically, a 2{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} hike in taxation that not many people have noticed, except this 17 odd thousand…
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/DutyReduction/
K.
February 9, 2010 at 3:26 pm #311430lee8
ParticipantRe: The Price Of Fuel
Last week in Spain my OH was paying 0.96 cents a litre on unleaded.
The exchange rate to the Euro is around 1.05 so its not that is a factor.
Gordon though has to pay back his borrowing via tax and it seems the business sector gets the privilage.
I’d like to know which bank lends money to the UK, I thought there was a crisis around the worlds banking sectors, so who lends to countries ?
February 9, 2010 at 5:36 pm #311431neilsukwg
ParticipantRe: The Price Of Fuel
The tactics seem to be
1. A big increase because opec or a war or futures players have caused oil per barrel to shoot up
2. It then returns slowly to just above the pre-crisis level but never below.
3. It then creeps slowly back to the ‘crisis’ level.Its a way of softening up the market (us) so that we become used/resigned to the idea
February 11, 2010 at 3:29 pm #311432silverbroom
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Thanks Ken for that link to that petition, have just signed up.
silverbroomFebruary 11, 2010 at 4:05 pm #311433iadom
ModeratorRe: The Price Of Fuel
lee8 wrote:
I’d like to know which bank lends money to the UK, I thought there was a crisis around the worlds banking sectors, so who lends to countries ?
Other countries, Sovereign Funds 😉
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