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April 8, 2010 at 4:35 pm #53852
alfie
ParticipantHi all,
I have got one of these w/m’s in for repair, the motor has fallen off ❗ ❗ ❗
The motor mountings on outer drum have sheared off.
Is it possible to get a complete outer & inner drum unit already built up?
Considering l will have made a 120 mile round trip to colect & deliver this w/m + ***** hours rebuilding what would be considered a reasonable labour charge?
The washer is covered by a 5+5 guarantee.Thanks in advance.
April 8, 2010 at 5:31 pm #317459bazza500
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I don’t really get what you are asking….
Are you an ISE agent? If so you would do the repair under warranty for the agreed labour charge. If you are not an ISE agent then get the customer to contact ISE and get it repaired under warranty. If the motor mounts have broken off then all you need replace is the tub rear half and the tub seal.
April 10, 2010 at 1:21 pm #317460alfie
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l am bazza.
There is a lot of time involved here not only in repairing the machine but also in traveling costs increase in petrol price etc.
Is it fair to expect us to do jobs like this for £60 ❓
April 10, 2010 at 1:28 pm #317461kwatt
KeymasterWe do compressor changes for less money for DAG, CDA and so on.
We do rear tank replacements for under £50 on some contracts.
But they’re not all big jobs and the warranty rates for ISE are above the industry norm. In fact, they are above what many of the guys get on direct charge work.
K.
April 10, 2010 at 1:37 pm #317462kwatt
KeymasterRe: ISE CI555
And on checking….
It turns out that you’ve ordered up a complete tank unit.
Rear tank, seal, front tank, drum, rear drive pulley, heater and goodness knows what else for just the motor mounts being sheared!
Are you deliberately trying to make your life difficult, don’t actually know what you need or trying to get the machine written off because you don’t want to do the job?
Sorry, but that’s the only way it looks to me when people do that.
K.
April 10, 2010 at 4:05 pm #317463iadom
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alfie wrote:
Is it fair to expect us to do jobs like this for £60 ❓
I get paid the same £60 for a five minute brush change, swings & roundabouts, I’m very happy with the payment structure. 8)
I did a drum rear half on Friday and have another one on order, vastly outnumbered by the amount of sub 30 minute calls though.
You only need the drum rear and seal, nothing else. The job takes around 90 minutes on average.
Jim.
April 10, 2010 at 4:09 pm #317464timdowning
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Alfie, why don’t you see if theres someone closer to the job to save you all that mileage!
Did you sell the machine?
I would imagine Alfie ordered all those bit so he can do a straight tub swap without messing about. I’m sure its not to write the machine off?
April 10, 2010 at 6:59 pm #317465kwatt
KeymasterRe: ISE CI555
timdowning wrote:I would imagine Alfie ordered all those bit so he can do a straight tub swap without messing about. I’m sure its not to write the machine off?
I’m sorry Tim but that’s not really acceptable, especially when I know it’s a straightforward job and, if I know it then so do the insurers. They’re not complete idiots.
So we order up £300 worth of parts to do a £90 job???
And then we wonder why the insurers and manufacturers give us grief over the amount of spares that repairers use, is it really any wonder?
We’re supposed to be professional and go in to repair what is faulty, not what isn’t and what isn’t required. I can understand it to some extent when you get the “warranty the whole product for 28 days” or whatever from some contracts but, that’s their problem and why their spares useage numbers go through the roof.
I can even understand it when you’re not really sure, it’s an oddball fault or something of that nature.
However I have to say, the number of calls that I see from a lot of places, including the ones from other sources I’ve been asked to look at and that are not ISE can be positively scary. With many it is really hard to reach any conclusion other than the guy doing the call simply hadn’t a clue, even in the most basic of fault finding skill.
But this one, now I’ve looked at it is well out of order and, I didn’t list all the parts ordered for the job either.
You have to consider it this way, if you took your car into the garage and they fitted a whole clutch of bits that weren’t really needed you’d be less than happy about it wouldn’t you? Well, insurers and manufacturers are as well.
K.
April 10, 2010 at 11:10 pm #317466bazza500
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alfie wrote:l am bazza.
There is a lot of time involved here not only in repairing the machine but also in traveling costs increase in petrol price etc.
Is it fair to expect us to do jobs like this for £60 ❓
I have sold an ISE5 to the people above my shop. I have been to 2 calls to this machine and both times have been paid £60+vat…. should I phone ISE and tell them I am making too much money off their calls??
You have to take the rough with the smooth or don’t sign up for the deal……simples.
April 11, 2010 at 7:32 am #317467timdowning
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K, I know its not acceptable and not something I would do or have ever done.
You posted saying that he may not know how to do the job or that he may want to write the machine off. I was throwing the third possibilty into the equation that he may be trying to have all the parts in place to change it as a complete unit to save time. As in alfie’s first post he wrote this…
Is it possible to get a complete outer & inner drum unit already built up?
Moving on, the answer is not to sell a machine to someone who lives 60 miles away. Unless you can write the cheque yourself. 😉
Bazza500 wrote;
should I phone ISE and tell them I am making too much money off their calls??
Yes. 🙂
April 11, 2010 at 9:32 am #317468Alex
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Even if the tub rear/tub front/drum/seals/pulley/heater etc were all ordered up front, still would not be able to use a made up tub/drum, what about the fixings to hold the 2 halves together and weights bolts etc?
Reading the first post, the machine looks like it is now in the workshop, even less reason to build up a complete assembly.
As everyone says, swings & roundabouts. We have some warranty contracts that only pay £42 no matter what and we have to guarantee the labour on the whole product for 3 Months, that is 90 days. I have one major service agreement that pays me just over £32 and I have to warranty that for 60 days.
Distance is not a deciding factor either when we cover 4 counties from South Bristol to South Devon.
The fact is you just take it on the chin and don’t waste your time getting stressed about it. Furthermore, if you try & bung bits at it, all you do is draw attention to yourself, and end up with a storeroom of useless parts you pay tax on.
Alex
April 13, 2010 at 11:59 pm #317469alfie
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Well that caused an interesting debate.
I had no idea what other insurance companies were paying so I asked the question now l know. l also obviously realise that a job like this is balanced out by others like a heater or carbons change.
Concerning the amount of parts sent,
a couple of years after we started selling these machines l think it was the second one l’d sold, the motor brackets had broken off & the bearings were shot. l asked if a tub unit was available. It was. This time not knowing any different l ordered the same + a motor ( plastic insulation melted off armature ) + a door seal.What came was an inner drum called a ( drum unit ) a motor & a door seal. A breakdown in communication / terminology call it what you will.
I now realised that the w/m would be away from the customer at least 4 days longer than expected while waiting for the right parts to turn up so as a belt and braces action ordered anything else l may require so as not to cause any further delay.
l believe that the parts l’ve used ie: door seal, outer drum rear half including bearings, drum seal and motor were all nessesary. The other parts will be returned.
In hindsight the job could have been handled better but when jobs go wrong is’nt that often the case ❓
In 30 odd years l have never ripped anyone off l’m not about to start doing that now. My first thought allways is to the customer, how to get the w/m working quickly at the best price with a minimum of inconvenience.April 14, 2010 at 10:24 pm #317470kwatt
KeymasterRe: ISE CI555
Hi alfie,
We had full units only by chance, they have never been available as a part, as such. The only time that we will have such a thing available is when the machines are current and we have what we term “knockdown” machines, that is to say machines we can strip down through damage etc. Outside of that, like most people ,we don’t have a full tank available as one part, it’s all separate parts.
I had this whole big post written about what happens when you order over pre-determined limits, number of spares, value of spares and a host of other stuff. Then I’d explain why the tripwires were there.
But, I thought better of it and decided not to start preaching.
K.
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