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My Vax upright vac just died, so I need to buy a replacement.
This time I am not going for an upright as it is very difficult to clean in hard-to-reach areas. So it must be a cylinder then.The flooring is mostly laminate with occasional carpets here and there + carpet on stairs.
I am thinking of either Sebo K1 Komfort or Miele S5281. Wondering which one is the best for the task. The K3 Premium with its electric brush probably be better choice but I can’t stretch my budget beyound 200 quid.
What do you think?
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Hi,
Sebo all the way from your two choices. The electric powerhead will remove more dirt from carpetting, so would be an advantage. They clean hard floors to perfection too. You won’t go wrong if you buy any Sebo machine. 😉
HTH,
Oliver.
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But the K1 Komfort comes without electric powerhead? I thought it only comes standard with K3 Premium?
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Kommunist wrote:But the K1 Komfort comes without electric powerhead? I thought it only comes standard with K3 Premium?
Thats right. I said it was an advantage not essential, believe me even with out the powerhead it will perform massivley better than your Vax. 😉
EDIT: You can add a turbo brush (air driven brush bar) to any of the cylinder range as an accessory, bought from Sebo, some shops that sell the machines also sell the optional accessories as well. The did cost about £35 IIRC, but that was a few years ago they may have gone up abit. Also some of the range had it included in the package, well worth a check before purchase.
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Thank you. Yes, indeed it is possible to buy turbobrush (roughly 30 quid directly from Sebo) for stairs, but the powerbrush is not an option for K1 series.
As to Vax, well.. ANYTHING in this world is better that the Vax. My previous vacuum cleaner was el cheapo LG of some sorts and it was much much better (and cheaper too) than Vax. The reason why I got the Vax was that I still have their multifunction 6151SX machine and it is pretty good on carpets (rubbish on hard floor) although not the easiest one to maneur around house.
BTW, what is your opinion on Nilfisk, Henry or Bosch? Are they worth their money or should I stick to Sebo or Miele?
Sorry for asking this many questions but it seems very difficult to buy a ‘proper’ vacuum cleaner these days. Seems like I should either go for best of the best or just pop into local Tesco and get whatever their cheapest vac is (probably own brand). Strange thing is that it seems like there is nothing in between these two extremes.
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Hi Kommunist,
Yep, spot on it is hard to buy a decent vac these days, you are one of the few to realise though! 😆
In my opinion is would advise against Bosch, they are OK but not brilliant. Nilfisk make commercial vacuum cleaners and I have funnily enough never used one, they branched in to the domestic market recently, but I haven’t used one of them either. I wouldn’t be able to advise.
Henry’s are excellent, I have one at home for the hard floors, cleaning up after DIY etc. It is very good. Well worth the £100 (around) they sell for, it sucks very well and the performance does not die off too badly as the bag fills . For home use they are good for curtains and the like as they have a low power setting. I can recommend Henry as being very good.
It has to be down to choice which one you prefer between the Sebo or Henry, both excellent machines and very reliable and spares, bags and filters are reasonably priced for both. The Henry is made in Somerset by Numatic International, who make alot of excellent commercial and industrial cleaners, the Henry is commercial so will last, whether it will last longer than the Sebo I don’t know but when either packs up for good it will be the distant future!
I have a Henry and 3 Sebo’s and neither brands dissapoint in anyway, shape or form. 😉
HTH,
Oliver.
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Right… so Bosch and Miele are out. My wife set her eyes on Nilfisk Coupe Parquet, which is cheap at 66 quid delivered, but I am not quite sure about this one – there are almost no reviews on this model, but reviews on their other domestic machines are less than stellar – seems like there are some quality issues (broken plastics, etc).
The Henry (or rather his smaller brother, James) looks quite good if very basic. There is no special hard floor brush and even multifunction one relies on vacuum power only (not a turbo). Wondering whether this will have any adverse effect on laminate cleaning. It is also quite cheap at 75 quid apiece.
The Henry Turbo or Xtra is a bit too big for missus to operate, so she ruled these out.The selection is now down three models (sorted pricewise):
1. Nlifisk Coupe Parquet. Pros: modern looks, cheap, has special parquet attachment, lightweight. Cons: dark horse, small bags (2.5l only).
2. Numatic James. Pros: cheap, lightweight, simple and very repairable. Cons: too basic, no hard floor attachment, old-style canister look (well… apart from ‘face’).
3. Sebo K1 Komfort. Pros: has special parquet attachment, lightweight, looks, 5 years warranty. Cons: price.Am I missing something? What do you think?
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Sebo. Sebo. Sebo!
Seriously, the Nilfisk domestic machines aren’t even a patch on the Sebo ones. Not even on the same planet.
Numatic, okay for offices but desperately basic. Because they are used in offices and by cleaners who break things, a lot. Good news is, bits are cheap when they get broken.
But all in all, back to Sebo. they may suffer from the fact that they are more expensive but as soon as you use one, you’ll know why they cost a bit more.
HTH
K.
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LOL, went today to nearby Comet with my missus. She saw there Sebo X4 Extra (overpriced by at least 50 quid, no less) and decided to try it in store. She said that Sebo looks and feels like a Russian tank – rough, tough and immovable. In short, she wasn’t quite impressed with it.
By contrast, she really liked Miele’s S7 yellow upright – until she had to lift it up, that’s it. But otherwise she was impressed by Miele.It’s a real pity there is no shop nearby to take a look at K1 series. Right now she doesn’t even want to talk about Sebo 🙁
Women! 😀I guess, I’ll just get her Numatic Henry James or whatever it is called (the smaller, lighter version). At least it is yellow and cute (sort of). There is also a benefit buying from Tesco’s – if the vac will be not good for her, we can just return it under their 30-days ‘no quibble’ guarantee.
Is this plan sounds good?Re: Sebo or Miele?
Got my new Numatic James delivered this week and today I tried it – what a great machine! Yes it looks industrial and all that, but suction is great despite motor being only 1100W. All in all, it is an excellent vac if really basic. I paid 76 quid for it and think that this is money well spent.
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b****y tescos.
they cant leave any money making stone alone these days, dont mind them selling their crappy cylinders that give up after 6 months but now their treading on the bread and butter brands of may independants
and bad form to numatic too for allowing this, not that it surprises me… (considering they supply homebase with henrys to sell for under £80 – way below a 100+ order trade rate…). on an independant level its hard enough competing with comet/currys to sell henrys with more than a £10 margin, but now tescos have obviously got a “nu” contract, and this aimed to the other indie retailers out there, is their really a financially viable point continuing to offer numatics produce… other than to get customers in… Considering every sale is a lost purchase on another higher margin product ?? i really dont wanna go down the route of unethical practises by rubbishing numatic, in order to get a higher margin purchase like the big multiples will, but the manufacturers dont seem to be interested in helping anyone than those who can take the most stock off them in one go.
this economy is mad!
No swearing please! Edited.Don
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As I am not in trade, I don’t really know the background of it. I can explain why I bought it from Tesco if it helps.
I simply can’t visit any independent shop because I work far from home (65 miles commuting each way) and by the time I get back home all independents are closed. So the only way for me to shop is either at supermarkets or Argos/DIY stores as they are open late. However, in this case I bought it off the web as none of shops in my area selling James model.
Because I can’t get any independent advice for the reasons above, my only option was to order it off the web (Tesco doesn’t sell Numatic in my local store). Normally I only buy products off Internet when I know 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} what I am buying, such as computer stuff, games or books. Tesco is the only one that doesn’t charge for delivery and also their return policy is first class (from the buyer’s point of view). In short, what they say is “don’t like it? bring it back, no questions asked”.I am not trying to defend Tesco and other supermarkets but I’ve got another example of how they can turn a dying business to a very profitable one. Next to my house we had a small corner shop which was struggling to get customers in. It wasn’t because of their prices or product selection. Rather than that, it was because of their opening hours – they worked 9 to 6. As a result everyone simply went to Tesco or Sainsburys to buy even small things like bread, milk or tray of eggs.
After the shop was closed, Tesco bought it and reopened under their Tesco Express brand. The store is now open 8 till midnight. The prices are way higher than in supermarkets.
And guess what? They recently had to refurbish it and put 4 tills in there as queues were unbearable. Still the store is full of buyers.
Think about it – same shop, same products (more or less), same shoppers and totally different business model. This is the difference between failure and success.Don’t get me wrong I am not trying to tell you how you should conduct your own business. What I was trying to say is that I rate businesses by the level of service they can provide to me and other customers. I also understand that no independent can match buying power of supermarket
(I can easily imagine Mr Tesco or Mrs Asda coming to Numatic and saying something like “what is your annual output? Good. I am buying everything you produce in a year but the price will be half of what you normally charge us. Deal or no deal?”)
But maybe there is some other way for independents to offer customers a better deal and thus increase a market share? A joint buying association maybe?Re: Sebo or Miele?
Oh i wasnt having a go at you 🙂
it just annoys me at the level of influence the big supermarkets wield. they even seem to have more arrogance than the comets & currys.
each independant is run differently which is why they are independants, lol, i know full well how much extra trade you can gain if your open a bit later than your rivals, we are fortunate enough to be situated on a road where the towns train station (on direct line to waterloo) is one side of us, and one half of the towns residential area is on the other side of us. in the past we used to open early (7ish) to get the shop ready and receive deliveries, and then shut at 5, but the odd occasion we were there later than 5 we noticed we got panic calls from customers who wanted things desperately, and of course we were never there to answer so we lost the trade.
so took the decision to open later, start about 8:30ish unless we have an early delivery, and now offically open till 7 weekdays, to get the next days deliverys/shop ready, which means many of the suits pop in on the way home cos the mrs needs a new iron/kettle/mw etc. its actually almost as busy at 6 as it is between 12-2. which were very happy about. it also means we can offer after-work deliveries too which has also increased trade.
as for group buying, these are already available but do not work out much cheaper because it takes a lot of manpower to organise that sort of thing, which people wont do for free 🙂 so what you would gain by being part of a buying group, is usually then lost with running costs, either via annual buying group membership fees, or in the actual price if its via a distributor.
The thing that grates us in the trade is that mr supermarket looks at making a fiver on a henry as an added sale. it isnt their primary form of turnover, as that is ensured via your local grocery/necessitys, so no matter how little they make on it it all goes into the pot of “extra profits”. its just like the online appliance webshops of argos, homebase, sainsburys, coop, marks and spencers, etc who basically let an external logistics warehouse company use their name in order to get a {e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of the sales. thats why the prices inc del tend to often be identical between several supermarkets!
they dont actually care how much the machines are being sold for, as long as they get that important extra bit of cash, cos they arent doing anything for it!!
You can almost guarantee too that the low low prices will not be so low once independant competition has all disappeared…
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