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Cheers from Adelaide Sth Aust
I’ve had the new machine for a week now (replacement for a Bosch 1605)and compared to the old machine the spin performance is abysmal yet both machines are 800rpm.
The 1660 seems to take 8 to 10 minutes to complete the spin cycle but spends 90 secs. winding up and only 2 mins. at full speed whereas the 1605 spun at full speed for 5 or 6 mins (I think)…..towels would come out stiff and you had to peel them off the side of the drum, shirts often had dry patches on them.
The 1660 has a switch to slow it to 500rpm, when I press it it slows the machine down as expected.
When we use the drier it now seems to take twice as long to dry the same number of towels.
By manually using the spin cycle 2 more times the towels are nearly as dry as the old machine.
I’ve checked the pump and drainage hose for obstructions and the machine appears to be working perfectly. The local Bosch shop sells lots of this model and rarely has any failures of any kind…. I’m told it’s assembled in Thailand using German parts and sold as a Bosch Maxx, Hitachi or Siemens. They are coming to check out the machine on Wed. and reckon they can maybe tweak it up to 1000rpm.
Should I have bought a machine with 1200rpm speed?
Do all modern machines spend such a short time at full spin speed?regards…..Valvo
🙁Yeah Valvo, many of them actually only hit the top speed for the final few seconds or so of the spin cycle IME. Plus you have to remember that spinning at a high speed uses more energy, remember the energy labelling and efficiency that they’re all going for? Then add the stability, the machine has to try to sort the wash and not go into an “out-of-balance” situation as well and all these factors add to the time it takes.
Quite often I’ve seen machine that ramp up to about a 500rpm spin, drop back, ramp up and then finally go into a full spin for 30 seconds or so.
When a certain manufacturer originally started making en-masse 1000 and 1200 machine we used to have a good chuckle at people buying them as they actually spun worse than the far cheaper 800’s as the 800 spin was achieved totally mechanically and lasted a lot longer so it was actually superior.
K.
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I presume you are using “spin only” as opposed to the final spin carried out at the end of a full cotton cycle.
If this is the case then you can expect a slower spin to protect the garmet which the manufacturer assumes has been “hand washed”!Try a Cottons wash with some towels or sheets (synthetics and wools etc will all also be shorter and probably slower) and let us know how you get on!
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Valvo,
Also take care not to ‘over suds’ the machine by putting too much detergent in it. One of the problems with todays ‘sophisticated’ electronic programme control devices is that they ‘sense’ certain out of balance situations far too easily. The end result being that on the final spin it takes more time deciding whether or not it is really out of balance rather than spinning at full speed. 😕
One can easily put in too much detergent from the outset which ultimately means the machine has difficulty rinsing it out, thus affecting the final spin performance.
Martin
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I think most of us here will find it quite odd that you can still get a 800rpm spin machine anyway. Here nowdays even 1000rpm is becoming rare.
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Thanks for all the replies,
I ran the machine on normal cottons + linens wash 30Deg. & it took 118 mins with a 10 min spin cycle and during this time it spent a total of 4min 30 sec at full spin speed…..everything came out acceptably dry this time, the towels stuck to the drum, she was happy, that was before I told her how long the cycle took.
Next I ran the same cycle with the Quickwash button set. this reduced the cycle by half with a 9min. spin cycle and during this time spent a total of 2min at full spin speed……this is were the problem is, the towels,jeans, t-shirts are unacceptably wet, she is not happy.
So I ran the spin cycle on its own which the manual says is just for handwashed garments…..it was just a repeat of the quickwash spin cycle and still did not dry the garments acceptably, she is very unhappy.
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For 9 years she used the old machine on a short wash program for nearly all her washing.
The only way to get an acceptably dry cotton garment out of this machine is to use the full 118min cycle. This is unacceptable for our houshold (2 +2 teenagers) and unless it can be reprogrammed I’ll be seeking an exchange for a model that suits…..the sales person has indicated they are prepared to exchange it.
It almost seems the washmeister at Bosch has made a mistake with the programming of the Quickwash cycle for cottons as the total spin time is about the same but the end result is vastly different.
Easycare garments are not a problem as they don’t seem to absorb moisture like cottons.
Is there a machine out there that will quickwash and dry properly?
(Bosch 2060? Bosch 2460? AEG 1250?)regards…..Valvo
(8th day of a Sth Australian winter & it’s 23Deg C….why does she complain) 😯Re: New Bosch WFL 1660 with poor spin performance.
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Sounds like we are making progress though.
A lot of these modern w/m can be re-configured to perform differently, but I would make sure that the electronic prog setting is the only difference between the models first as you dont want it to spin at 1800 rpm if the motor and bearings are deigned for 1000rpm.
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I dont think that I (personally) would change it at all.
I know 2 hours is a long time and the prog selection is inflexible but the Bosch machines are among the best you can get. Simple and reliable.The 2 hour wash time is still (if like uk machines) very economical on water and electricity.
Now they get good results by reducing other factors but increasing wash times.
Having said that, the others you mention would surely be on a par.
Keep trying to find a prog that suits and check the consumption figures in the instruction book.Re: New Bosch WFL 1660 with poor spin performance.
CJ wrote:😀
I presume you are using “spin only” as opposed to the final spin carried out at the end of a full cotton cycle.
If this is the case then you can expect a slower spin to protect the garmet which the manufacturer assumes has been “hand washed”!This is were the problem is, the default spin programme for Quickwash Cottons is the same programme they use for “spin only” which is a much gentler and shorter time at full spin even though the duration of the spin cycle is 10 mins. The handbook reference for “spin only”is like you say, for “handwashed ” garments only
Repeated spinning only drys marginally better because it is only a handwash spin programme.
No one at the local Bosch shop can understand why they didn’t use the same spin programme as used in the normal wash especially seeing that its duration is 10 mins also. Apparently I am the first and only one to complain about this problem.
I am negotiating with the shop and Bosch Australia to return the 1660 and upgrade to a 2060. Interestingly the 2060 does all its washing in the shortest time, you have an option button for intensive wash. The blurb says this eliminates the need for a Quickwash programme….huh ❓regards……Valvo
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Just an update in my Bosch saga….
They have agreed to swap the 1660 for a new model not yet released, a 2400….. It spins to 1200 rpm. No one has seen one yet so I don’t know wether it is a hotted up 1660 or like the more upmarket 2460.
They all have the same mechanicals and motors.
This is the cheapest way out of the problem, I enquired about an AEG W1250 but that has jumped in price from $1400 to $1900…..no thanks!
I’ll post a report after the new machine arrives next week.🙄 …..I think I’m happy with the outcome.
regards…..Valvo
Re: New Bosch WFL 1660 with poor spin performance.
Just an update in my Bosch saga….
They have agreed to swap the 1660 for a new model not yet released, a 2400….. It spins to 1200 rpm. No one has seen one yet so I don’t know wether it is a hotted up 1660 or like the more upmarket 2460.What a Great, Great Guy Robert Bosch Australia is…..
they replaced the 1660 with a WFL2400 and she is now very happy.
It spins at 1000rpm on quickwash and the towels and jeans etc are now even drier than from the old 1605. When she does a normal full wash it hits 1200rpm for about 1 minute…..Wow 😀 The towels have to be peeled off the side of the drum and spend half the amount of time in the tumble dryer than before.
I don’t know how much the extra speed will affect reliability but the local Bosch Boffin quotes an expected lifespan of 14 yrs.
The machine itself is very similar to the 1660 except it has a knob for spin speed selection and an extra button for Reduced Ironing.
At the top of the door seal is an outlet for a cascade of water for enhanced moistening and rinsing but that doesn’t seem to be functioning, maybe it’s an option on another model?
This W/M model looks like a direct competitor to the AEG W1250 but is priced about $A450 cheaper.regards…..Valvo
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Valvo wrote:At the top of the door seal is an outlet for a cascade of water for enhanced moistening and rinsing but that doesn’t seem to be functioning, maybe it’s an option on another model?
Valvo,
I don’t think the WFL2400 has a water inlet nozzle in the door seal, rather think it is more likely to be a ‘water guide’ that dispenses the water scooped up by the 3 drum paddles and directs it toward the centre of the drum. (Possibly ? 😕 )
I’m pleased all is well nonetheless and I would agree with the estimated life span by the way 😉
Martin
Hi Valvo,
Been following this with interest, as I’ve got family in Adelaide. Just curious about tumble dryer – I thought you had masses of sunshine down there? Got to be cheaper than a TD!Regards from cold, wet Yorkshire,
Penguin45.Re: New Bosch WFL 1660 with poor spin performance.
Hi Penguin,
I’ve got family in Yorkshire……kinda spooky eh!
Here’s a link to the famous Aussie solar spinning dryer that your rellies are sure to use.
http://www.abc.net.au/dimensions/dimens … 785953.htmWe have one too, but even though we are the driest state on the driest continent we do get a serve of cold wet fronts from Antartica in winter so with HID working the TD gets a bit of a workout several times a week.
She put a load through on quickwash tonight and we discovered that if you set the control to rinse & hold….wait till it ends….then set to 1200….remove quickwash…..then start…..you can get a 1200rpm spin at then end of a quickwash program……Bloody complicated 8) but handy for drying those mountains of towels that are used once in our family.Hooroo…..Valvo
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