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After speaking to DrDill yesterday for about half an hour by telephone (I had to contact him, his comments elsewhere WOUND ME UP), it soon became clear, he didn’t quite get the WTA motives & vision on the future. It also became clear, and I recieved an apology, he mis-understood me regarding RC.
Looking back in hind sight, I should have spoke, about the COP and given DrDill & others an opportunity to question me about the end result, and their concerns about anyone can pay £70 & carry the OFT badge! I explained to DrDill, that as an association, we CANNOT refuse membership to anyone on ‘Hearsay’ that he / she is a bad engineer, BUT and it was a f00king BIG but, by being a WTA member, you HAVE to work to the COP, therefore, giving us monitoring rights as per approval standards, and the bigger picture then is we can weed out the cowboys! He eventually saw the bigger picture, hense his recent post in the ‘Future’ thread I assume, but for me, I regret not having a pair and taking a quiet seat at the back!
As this is getting bigger, I suppose it’s almost natural for people to come out of the woodwork and question us, that isn’t a problem, it’s how we respond is important, and after a lot of after thought, the COP is MASSSSSSSIVE within the WTA, and I should have insisted on having a LARGE slot to stand up and present it, and put peoples doubts to bed. Fot that, I apologise.
After speaking to DrDill yesterday, we both agreed we should have buggered off somewhere for a bit and talked, I originally thought he was a trouble maker, but now believe he’s just a guy, that has been hurt, and TBH pretty f00king scared by it! But at the end of the day, he is the ideal model of the kinda guy we want to change things for a?
I suspect more like DrDill will pop up in future (i.e Worried & vocally active), so as far as I’m concerned, lesson learnt, these meetings are PRIME TIME to put their minds at ease.
I feel kinda down TBH that I sat back quietly. I was RAGING inside about what was being said, but ignored it for what I thought was a good reason, so as to not spoil the day with bickering, but again, in hind sight, I should have grabbed the man!
Generally, the day was AWESOME, I feel that my words and lack of ‘Public Input’ has fueled the fire of DrDill, and one or two others apparently, but again, lesson learnt!
Adrian.
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I think we leave it alone unless he questions someone directly then that person responds ala Ken and Ade .
Eventually he will get bored ,He has an axe to grind I’m just not sure which one .
LawrenceRe: A lesson learnt!
He made one valid point which I think other people will pick up on.
DrDill wrote:
i had a lot of concerns, one of which was companies or individuals are allowed to be members without any form of appraisal, was it the intention of all members being eventually OFT and ISO compatible?.I know there is nothing we can do about people joining, but when do members have to start leaving the questionnaires behind? Is this to be done before the OFT approval of the COP? Pre- appraisal of companies before joining just isn’t possible in my opinion but we should be seen to be monitoring members somehow. This I think would give some credibility to the WTA by members and prospective members.
Re: A lesson learnt!
Yup.
But. It’s a bitch of a thing.
If you look at the “recommended” members, it’s an old boy’s network.
If you look at the “approved” way, it’s an old boy’s club.
The only real way to do it fairly without incurring huge cost, that would fall on the membership and ultimately be unacceptable, is the way we do it IMO unless anyone has any other suggestions.
If you go down the vetting route you’d then get cries of injustice and unfairness as they can’t all meet the criteria or that it’s too low.
In short, you can’t win. Doesn’t matter what you do, you just can’t win.
I think that the “innocent till proven guilty” system that we have is about as fair as you can get and allows as much openness as possible which in turn makes the TA a more approachable and open organisation.
What wil have to happen however is that, when there is a complaint, that it is acted upon.
K.
Re: A lesson learnt!
And now that I have more time after dealing with the “pressing” posts and a few emails…
Ade, STFU.
You bottled it and that’s absolutely fine. I bottled it as well every time I was on stage the first few times and there’s booger all shame in admitting it. It’s not so bad for the likes of Lawrence that’s used to standing up in front of a crowd or those like Ian etc. that have the character to pull it off without batting an eyelid, at least on the surface. But, truth be told, I’d wager we all get butterflies.
You get asked to go up and talk in front of a load of people and it is scary. I know this painfully to be true. There’s no shame in it at all and no need to apologise either, we all get it.
As for Dr Dill, he needs a shot of reality IMO. As billed he seems to want this, that and the next thing but like most that do he has f**k all idea of what it is he actually wants or how to go about getting it, he’d much rather have others try on his behalf and, then when they fail to deliver, he’d berate them for being cr*p and not doing it.
So, sod that, I just threw it right back at him.
I’m also right f**ked off with some of his comments and if he doesn’t start talking sense and wind his neck in he’ll get both barrels. In the meantime, I’m not taking the bait.
I’d imagine he’ll STFU though. If he has any sense.
You are absolutely correct in the stance you took over the WTA IMO. If he doesn’t get it or, want to get it, feck ‘im. Let him go it alone.
For now though do me a favour will you, STFU with your bitching and get the f**king COP done. 😉
No offense intended. 😆
K.
Re: A lesson learnt!
kwatt wrote:For now though do me a favour will you, STFU with your bitching and get the f**king COP done. 😉
No offense intended. 😆
K.
None taken 😀
Points taken 😀
Bitching over, back @ work now with Beech hat on! And on that note, I’m off to compose an email 😉
As Lawrence said, I’m staying out of that thread now, unless directly asked anything…
Ade 🙂
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Ade – Your doing a good job on this COP and having been down the equally intense F-Gas thing I know how frustrating it gets both with government departments that don’t seem to have a brain and will only follow their own agenda and engineers that just don’t understand how much work it takes to acheive the aim. Keep your chin up, it’s very satisfying to complete the task and then have a break 8)
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