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Hello all,
I’m planning to buy my first property this year and I’ve been scouting on here to get in as much info as I can on what makes/models to look out for, so I’m ready if/when it comes to moving.
The ISE10 seems well received, but is quite an investment at around £900 – especially when it would be advantageous to keep the cost of procuring new items to a minimum. What would be ideal, is to have a range of recommended makes and models at various price points from £400 upwards, so I can make a judgement on what would provide good value for money based on my needs and usage, to a) avoid buying something OTT for my usage and b) not getting a piece of junk that would only last 3-4 years at most.
As it stands I would be living alone, but I am thinking of having a lodger for that extra bit of income. I would estimate the machine having to deal with approximately 5 half loads per week. I’m not interested in anything gimmicky – I am only interested in reliability, durability, decent support and cleaning performance. Water efficiency would be nice, as long as it isn’t just gimmicky and doesn’t actually impact cleaning performance.
I’d really appreciate any advice or help you can give, so that I am armed with the knowledge required when it comes to deciding whether to negotiate the inclusion of already-installed machine or whether to exclude and buy my own.
Many thanks all! 🙂
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Hi
You are certainly in the right price bracket if you are after a half decent machine with a good track record and guarantee.
Bosch and Siemens (same stable) are the way to go. Varying load sizes and variable spin speeds and temperature control. Siemens are a slightly higher spec and most come with a five year warranty as opposed the Bosch standard two.
A couple of good reads on load sizes and washing machine guide may help your decision making.
HTH 🙂
Don
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don wrote:Bosch and Siemens (same stable) are the way to go. Varying load sizes and variable spin speeds and temperature control. Siemens are a slightly higher spec and most come with a five year warranty as opposed the Bosch standard two.
A couple of good reads on load sizes and washing machine guide may help your decision making.
HTH 🙂
Don
Firstly, thanks for the reply! Based on my likely lower than average usage, would you feel an ISE10 machine would be overkill and that one costing £400+ would fulfill my reliability needs just as well?
Also, would any machine of those two brands £400+ be of good quality, or are there particularly good ones that would be worth looking at?
The links were quite useful, so thanks for those. 🙂
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Hi cheekyB,
I have the ISE10 and it is a fantastic machine and also a very good investment even with your usage, I dont think it is overkill (overkill would be a pensioner doing one load a week like my mum!) and it would last for many more years 😀
The wash performance is better than anything i have ever used, superb tbh and it spins really dry, this morning for example i thought i hadnt put the machine on because it felt so dry, then noticed the powder was gone, so it had finished the cycle while i was out :rolls: :oops:. Its also very easy to use and keep clean 😀
Personally i wouldnt even consider a ‘top-end’ Bosch now that i have used the ISE10, i wont have that worry for a wee while now anyhow :D.
ISE’s aftersales sales service is IMO ‘above and beyond the call of duty’ and i have no hesitation in recommending the machine to any family members or friends.
Best wishes
quickwash :plug:
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CheekyB wrote:Based on my likely lower than average usage, would you feel an ISE10 machine would be overkill and that one costing £400+ would fulfill my reliability needs just as well?
For me that question is like a few people in the trade that say that the ISE10’s are “over-engineered”. I just ask them, define “over-engineered” and please explain how anything can be “over-engineered”?
Usually the conversation goes off towards accusing the machine of being too high a quality and with a performance beyond what people expect. To which my response is, quite simply, “so, people shouldn’t expect good performance, durability or build then?”
But, it really depends on what you want in the end.
CheekyB wrote:The feature recommending machines could use an update though, as it seems most of them are no longer available.
You know, I didn’t think anyone actually read that and didn’t much bother with updating it. But, you are correct, it’s way out of date.
The problem with it is getting info on the machines and what’s good and bad without testing them, which takes time. Then there’s the issue of what to actually recommend to people that is decent enough to part with cash for, which is why a lot of what’s on this site is here as the choices are a bit sparse.
K.
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Hi,
I have an ISE10, do 4-5 full loads a week and the wash and rinse performance is excellent.
When we have cracked the soaping issue it will be perfect…………ISE and Asko are on that, so there is a good customer service.
Fully agree with my good friend Quickwash, ISE customer service is excellent.
Miele well worth considering as well.
Oliver. 😀
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kwatt wrote:For me that question is like a few people in the trade that say that the ISE10’s are “over-engineered”. I just ask them, define “over-engineered” and please explain how anything can be “over-engineered”?
Usually the conversation goes off towards accusing the machine of being too high a quality and with a performance beyond what people expect. To which my response is, quite simply, “so, people shouldn’t expect good performance, durability or build then?”
But, it really depends on what you want in the end.
I wasn’t necessarily asking whether it is over-engineered – I value and expect quality, reliability and performance above anything else. I was rather asking if there are other options out there that would match (or nearly match) what the ISE offers in terms of performance, longevity etc, based on my likely lower-than-average usage, but at a lower upfront cost. That way I can weight up cost v benefit at various price points to let me prioritise moving funds to other things if the need arises.
If it so happens that considering anything else would mean major compromisation in some way to quality, performance or support costs then the ISE would may well be the optimum solution – however, everyone likes the ability to make a choice from a range of selected or preferred options 🙂
Higher-water-level wrote:Miele well worth considering as well.
Oliver. 😀I have seen that Miele are rated from a quality point of view. However, I have also seen that support costs are very expensive, which does put me off. I suppose it depends on how much cheaper the upfront costs of recommended models are, versus how likely it is that support will be required. Any specific Miele models that are recommended?
Thanks everyone for the replies so far.
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Hi CheekB,
The domestic Mieles i looked at are of a similar price to an ISE10, it was the after guarantee repair/parts prices that really swayed me from miele and i decided on the ise because they are built to be as easily repaired as they can be, so when the time comes i will be able to use a local engineer, hopefully the one i purchased from, if they are still in business by then 😀
I chose a top end Bosch for my mum, which is very good for the around £400 she spent on it, but i love my ISE10 😀
Best wishes,
quickwash :plug:
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Hi,
Yes Miele can be expensive to put right. The machines are outstanding and I personally wouldn’t dismiss them for this.
All Miele machines are good quality and designed to do 5 washes a week and last 20 years. Obviously they are not infallable. Nothing is.
I am a fan of Miele and am also a fan of ISE. I have both and can say the quality of both makes won’t dissapoint. You won’t go wrong in my opinion buying either brand.
Oliver.
Hi Quickwash. :waving:
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:waving: Higher-water-level,
I agree that both Mieles and ISE10s are excellent, in fact I was on the brink of purchasing a Miele until i found the ISE website, but sometimes circumstances dictate, as mine did, which product was the best purchase in the long run, for me ISE10 but thats just my personal choice 🙂
Best wishes
quickwash :plug:
PS – Hi CheekyB, good luck and best wishes to you in your new home 😀
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quickwash wrote:The domestic Mieles i looked at are of a similar price to an ISE10, it was the after guarantee repair/parts prices that really swayed me from miele and i decided on the ise because they are built to be as easily repaired as they can be, so when the time comes i will be able to use a local engineer, hopefully the one i purchased from, if they are still in business by then 😀
I chose a top end Bosch for my mum, which is very good for the around £400 she spent on it, but i love my ISE10 😀
Higher-water-level wrote:Yes Miele can be expensive to put right. The machines are outstanding and I personally wouldn’t dismiss them for this.
All Miele machines are good quality and designed to do 5 washes a week and last 20 years. Obviously they are not infallable. Nothing is.
I am a fan of Miele and am also a fan of ISE. I have both and can say the quality of both makes won’t dissapoint. You won’t go wrong in my opinion buying either brand.
Thanks for the replies. It looks like Miele are definitely worth considering, if they are designed to last approximately 5,000 cycles+.
Depending on the local availability of them locally, I think I’d plump for ISE over Miele due to support costs, but Miele being first choice alternative. These two together with Siemens and Bosch I think make up the range of makes I’d consider, based on everyone’s helpful advice.
Priority for premium makes/models:
1. ISE
2. Miele
3. Top range SiemensPriority for medium range makes/models:
1. Siemens
2. Boschquickwash wrote:PS – Hi CheekyB, good luck and best wishes to you in your new home 😀
Many thanks! 😆
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Sorry to bother everyone again, but I have a second question. It’ll be likely that I’ll need to invest in a fridge/freezer too. I have absolutely no idea yet what the width requirements would be. Ideally I’d like it to be quite close to a 50:50 split between fridge and freezer and again I have absolutely no interest in features or gimmicks such as LCD screens, internet connection, water or ice taps, etc. All I am interested in is build quality and keeping whats inside cool or frozen.
I’ve seen that Liebherr are typically the #1 rated on here, with Siemens also held in high esteem. However, I have no idea at what sort of pricepoint you start to get good quality and proper value for money. What would be the minimum you think I should be budgeting for? John Lewis seem to have Siemens and Liebherr models from £400, appliancesdirect from £340…
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CheekyB wrote: What would be the minimum you think I should be budgeting for? John Lewis seem to have Siemens and Liebherr models from £400, appliancesdirect from £340…
Price will depend on width, height and whether frost free is a requirement after reading this article. As for value and good after sales service I would go for JLP or better still an independant retailer.
Which washing machine did you go for in the end?
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don wrote:Price will depend on width, height and whether frost free is a requirement after reading this article. As for value and good after sales service I would go for JLP or better still an independant retailer.
Which washing machine did you go for in the end?
Don 🙂
Frost free is not a requirement.
I haven’t bought any washing machine as yet – I just wanted to plan ahead to have a prioritised set of options/makes for when the time comes in the upcoming months 🙂
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