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March 1, 2011 at 11:01 pm #61404
ianlovatt
ParticipantI would really appreciate if someone could confirm if I have the correct replacement controller for the model above:
Original broken unit. yellow label, white enclosure:
SIEMENS 5WK57804
10 11 02 10 40 01
5 600 048 683 AI01Have been sold a (supposedly) new and suitable replacement. white label, half black/half white enclosure:
SIEMENS 5WK57829
10.05.05 21 44 Typ G.2
5 600 048 694 AI 2.1.01
If you’ve got the patience for the full story read on…Our dishwasher stopped working mid-cycle. I called a guy advertised in the paper and he came round and said it needed a new controller. He fitted a new ‘spare’ one he had, ran a rinse cycle ok and said it was fixed. The quick 35deg wash worked but the longer eco50 and auto 55-65 would not end. I now realise this is the ‘1min problem’ symptoms.
I had a look at the old controller and it’d really gone bang (much worse than any of the images i’ve now found on this site of other faulty PCBs): delaminated PCB, 2inch soot/scorch area and ceramic casing of a few componants has disintegrated. I’ll get a picture up soon. As we were out at the time I’m relieved the whole unit didn’t catch fire.
I explained what was happening with the cycles not finishing and he said he had another controller in his garage which he’d fit when he had time to find it. This was eventually fitted but did not solve the problem and the times for the cycles changed eg. quick 35deg went from 35mins (on original and first replacement) to 55 -not sure if this provides a clue for my question above. I came across this site and saw some topics which looked similar so thought it must be possible to fix and that he’d need to look at what caused the controller to go bang in the first place.
Reluctantly he came back a 3rd time and asked if we’d prefer the first module again as at least we’d get a working quick35 cycle but i said i wanted him to fix the problem or give us our money back. He swapped them around again a few times as he saw the problem with the cycle not finishing, gave my girlfriend (who was in at the time) some grief and eventually after I asked if he’d been on here or looked up the problem elsewhere (he apparantly had but had not posted anything) agreed to give us some of our money back and said it wasn’t worth his time removing the module and we could keep it.
I’ve now got some spare time and although can’t justify getting a (real)professional to look at it I would like to repair it rather than see it end up in landfill as I’m sure its close to working.
I’ve read through as many of the topics I can find regarding the 1min problem and I think i’ve ruled out the three usual problems:
1) gunked matrix or inlet tube/impellor
2) blown heater
3) Controller PCB faultas..
>Matrix is clean (no debris were found)
>level sensor (red cylinder) is not activating and sufficient water seems to be inside (covers square metal filter grate in base) if i stop it mid cycle.
>Cleaned hose running to impellor from level sensor and checked impellor is clear (no debris were found )
>Looked over ‘new’ controller for dry joints and can’t see anything suspicious.
>Measured heating element 23 ohm when disconnected so not blown.
So i’ve concluded:
1) the controller might not be compatible.
2) the controller is not managing heating process correctly/sensing heating correctly. If i run an auto 55-65 and open after 20mins its steamy hot inside. If i run a quick35 the voltage across the heater is abour 60V AC during wash cycle ramping up to full 240V when the 1min problem becomes apparent during rinse but the inside doesn’t appear to get hot at this point.Is there any way to test the sensor (assuming its a thermistor of some sort)?
Is there something up with the componant that sits between heater and control unit mounted between the two prongs on the heater (think it might be a triac??)?
I would really appreciate any suggestions to investigate further or anything anyone thinks I’ve overlookedCheers,
Ian
July 17, 2011 at 10:31 pm #345985ianlovatt
ParticipantRe: Bosch exxcel SGS43A18GB/38
I’ve waffled too much in the original post so here’s a more concise version (can’t seem to edit the original):
Think our dishwasher has the ‘1min problem’. I’ve read through as many of the topics I can find and the three usual problems seem to be:
1) gunked matrix or inlet tube/impellor
2) blown heater
3) Controller PCB fault (although might not be correct replacement part)I think i’ve ruled them out as..
>Matrix is clean (no debris were found)
>level sensor (red cylinder) is not activating and sufficient water seems to be inside (covers square metal filter grate in base) if i stop it mid cycle.
>Cleaned hose running to impellor from level sensor and checked impellor is clear (no debris were found )
>Looked over ‘new’ controller for dry joints and can’t see anything suspicious.
>Measured heating element 23 ohm when disconnected so not blown.Be greatly appreciated if anyone can suggest anything else to try? Also if anyone can confirm that this is a suitable replacement controller:
Original broken unit. yellow label, white enclosure:
SIEMENS 5WK57804
10 11 02 10 40 01
5 600 048 683 AI01
supposedly suitable replacement. white label, half black/half white enclosure:
SIEMENS 5WK57829
10.05.05 21 44 Typ G.2
5 600 048 694 AI 2.1.01Cheers,
IanJuly 18, 2011 at 8:06 am #345986Martin
ParticipantRe: Bosch exxcel SGS43A18GB/38
Firstly I have to tell you that your machine is the subject of a FREE recall by Bosch to replace the control module FREE OF CHARGE. So with the benefit of hindsight that would have been a favoured option to have taken. 🙁
But anyway, from what you say chances are the module or modules fitted were not exactly ‘configured’ for your model. The module (Part no: 498607) fits several models but has to be set up specific to the machine it is fitted to. The classic signs of incorrect configuration are that the programme times do not correspond as they should. 😯
Also you may have other components causing the 1 min left error including, what you haven’t mentioned so far, the turbidity sensor. So unfortunately the emphasis primarily is to ensure that the module is the correct one, that it is in perfect working order and that it is configured correctly BEFORE venturing to investigating other potential internal failings.
All the best! :tup:
July 22, 2011 at 11:06 pm #345987ianlovatt
ParticipantRe: Bosch exxcel SGS43A18GB/38
Martin,
thanks very much for the reply!
regarding free recall you seem to imply that we couldn’t take that up anymore? Is there anything to stop me putting everything back together with the blown control module and giving Bosch a call?
Assuming getting bosch to replace it under recall is not an option:
The guy did try two different modules one of which the times for the cycles were correct after i’d configured it by holding buttons on startup etc. However the longer washes still got stuck on one minute. This made me think there was something in addition to the faulty controller. Perhaps something got damaged by controller blowing?As your footer/signature suggests I searched through as many of the 1min topics i could find before i posted originally but i must have missed the turbidity sensor so i’ll look into that while i have the washer in bits. If that’s something that only comes into play on the proper wash cycles (ie not rinse or quick35) then this may be the answer!
It would be nice to know if configuring a control unit just changes the times/temps for the cycles or whether it alters anything fundamental eg. config for washer A the temp sensor input is on connector 1 but if configured as washer B the sensor input is assumed to be on connector 2 by the controller.
thanks again
ianOctober 2, 2011 at 9:18 pm #345988ianlovatt
ParticipantRe: Bosch exxcel SGS43A18GB/38
Sorted, washer is working again.
I entered washer details on http://www.repairaction.co.uk/ and bosch replaced control module. It was the first one the guy had been to replace that had actually blown up. From what he said i think the power supply wasn’t adequately rated on the original modules.
As i said above guy who came originally had left us with a supposedly replacement module. He was clearly lying/ignorant when he said it was suitable for our washer. If anyone can make use of it please contact me as i believe it is in working order. the label reads:
SIEMENS 5WK57829
10.05.05 21 44 Typ G.2
5 600 048 694 AI 2.1.01ian
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