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Hi,
we are looking to buy a new w/m. Currently have a hoover which has given upo the ghost after only 3 yrs. (tends to be used a lot as we have 2 kids and a few pets!)
We are currently looking at either the Bosch excel WFX246, or the Hotpoint ‘ultima’ WF840.
Any views as to which woul dbe better? We require reliability, and preferably not too noisy
Cheers
Get AEG – they seem to be a reasonable price now. I own both a Bosch and AEG washer and dryer set, and my AEGs score top all over Bosch machines. AEG’s also tend to be more reliable aswell, not to mention have more flexible programming than the Bosch and a bigger drum capacity. However you still can’t go wrong with a Bosch or AEG; I’d just be inclined to go more with an AEG. Try looking at a Lavamat 62600 or 64600 – thes have the same features (if not more) than the WFX Bosch, and at least online are in the £300-£350 price range.
Jon
Re: new w/m – which to choose
Jon
AEG is owned by Electrolux and, so far as I know, all laundry product or the vast bulk of it will be exactly the same as a Tricity Bendix, Electrolux or Zanussi washing machine with a fancy facsia on it. To my knowledge there are no AEG washers now made in Germany so you’re not buying what you think you are.
Adding features costs money. The more features and the lower the price would have to make me wonder at that quality of components used in construction to achieve the price with the extra bells and whistles on it, which most people will never use anyway.
And don’t always believe what you read in Which, it’s not unusual for them to not bother taking the lid off to see what’s inside and they’ve gotten it wrong on more than one occasion. We’re engineers, we kinda have to have a poke about inside. 😉
K.
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The AEG Lavamat 62600 is indeed a German made AEG and if still available from retailers is a good alternative to BOSCH. I suspect as Ken comments, all future AEG badged machines will be a Zanussi in disguise 🙁
On the other hand if you choose BOSCH and the price tag is above £250, then it’s the real thing and worth the expense 😀
Martin
My AEG washer and dryer bought last year are both made in Germany – they even sport a little badge stating this on front of the machine. I sell AEGs along with other brands in the Euronics centre where I work, and I always try to push the AEGs. I know the washers and dryers now use the Zanussi drum assemblies, but they are still put together in Germany to the same high quality standard AEG have already had. BTW I believe AEGs still have a different assembly bar the drums inside from Zanussi’s, from how the transit bolts are fitted and the transport packaging is.
I learnt the hard way about a Zanussi badged AEG – I used to own a dishwasher made by Zanussi which Comet had badged up as AEG. I replaced it a couple weeks ago with a German-made AEG, amazing how much better the *real* things are.
BTW I own both an AEG washer and dryer (installed upstairs in a bedroom) and a Bosch washer and dryer (installed downstairs in the kitchen), and was comparing my direct experience between the two machines.
Jon
Point taken, but a Hotpoint is built in the UK, still Italian junk inside it though. 😆
Seriously though, you’ll not see the real difference till it hits about 3-5 years old and bearings fail, something, which at that age on a proper German built machine, just wouldn’t happen IMO.
K.
Hehe, guess I can’t argue with an engineer. Just get a bit defensive of them that’s all (god they’re washing machines, how sad is that?). Mind you I’m not sure if it’ll last much longer, it jumps about all the time with it being on a suspended wooden upstairs floor. Any ideas how to stabilise it and calm the vibrations?
Jon
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No problem Jon, we just see ’em when they break not when they’re all nice and shiny under bright lights. 😉
If it’s on a wooden floor then then the only thing you can do really is get a decent bit of chipboard or worktop and screw it securely to the deck underneath the machine. It won’t totally eliminate the vibration but it will help a lot.
K.
Oh and Jon I nearly forgot, you should sign up if your working for a Euronics dealer and I’ll get you access sorted to the retail and/or trade bits. 😉
K.
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kwatt wrote:Jon
AEG is owned by Electrolux and, so far as I know, all laundry product or the vast bulk of it will be exactly the same as a Tricity Bendix, Electrolux or Zanussi washing machine with a fancy facsia on it. To my knowledge there are no AEG washers now made in Germany so you’re not buying what you think you are.
AEG still manufacture some, but not all, of their w/m and driers in Nurnberg, Germany.
However, where a model shares a common platform with a lux or zanussi its probably made in Italy but could also be made in Poland. Sorry if a bit vague, don’t have an up to date build plan handy! 😉
Manufacture or assemble? There’s a subtle difference. 😉
I though that they had changed most, if not all, of the tub group assembly over to the standard fare.
K.
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I’m going to stop posting on here I think. I only give my point of view when I’ve been there and touched it, I don’t theorise about how what might be. I try to be informative, when a thread or piece of news appears biased I try to add a more balanced view and let people make their own minds up. Basically I only post when I know what I’m talking about hence I’ve only posted a dozen or so times.
Whether I post what you want to hear or not I don’t see the point in or have the time for nit picking 😕
So what does “manufacture” mean in the Whitegoods industry these days?
“manufacturers” as referred to regularly on this site are little more than design and assembly outfits that outsource their component manufacturing. Why don’t you start calling them assemblers??
AEG until recently maintained their own design and R&D in Germany. Only machines sharing a common platform have been designed in Porcia, Italy. Bear in mind though that Lux home products have a mix of over 1000 models on washing machines alone, commonality aint something they’re good at.
Regardless of who designed it, the good thing about AEG (now I no longer have to work with them) is that they haven’t fully embraced the Lux global sourcing strategy so alot of their components are still sourced locally. Add that to the fact that you won’t find a better “assembly” operation in Europe (for washing machines anyway) and it all stacks up favourably in my book. The downside is that they’re slightly more expensive.
For information, it works both ways, when AEG volumes are down Nurnberg help out by manufacturing for the other brands. For example I bought a “made in Germany” dishwasher recently with a Zanussi badge on the front, but thats another story.
Probably more than I should post in a public forum, just hope Mr Bygge isn’t watching, but what the hell, its probably the last one anyway.
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