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February 3, 2014 at 11:15 am #79343
SallyM79
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I’m new to this forum. A customer service employee of UKWhitegoods said it’s very good and suggested I post the following queries on it.After weeks of research, I had decided on a particular Fagor (Pyrolitic) oven. However, I discovered this weekend that the Fagor factory in Spain has recently closed down.
Therefore, in order to satisfy some concerns I now have in continuing with my purchase, I have some questions which I hope someone may be able to answer please1)If Fagor products are no longer in production, will it be difficult to obtain parts for this oven after warranty expires? How expensive will they be?
2) Can much go wrong with an oven anyway? My current oven lasted 16 years! What type of failure is most frequent?
3)Does much go wrong with a Fagor oven? How many years life can be expected?
4)Do ovens have standard components? That is, do oven brands purchase components from 3rd party suppliers/manufacturers anyway? Such as elements, circuit board, etc?
5)What components are likely to be unique to particular brands?
For example, Facias, casings, glass doors, knobs….maybe?6)Do Fagor in particular manufacture many unique components for their products, which can only be supplied by Fagor?
7)Can more go wrong with a pyrolitic oven? Or is the only difference the ability to heat to a high temperature and special interior finish to withstand a high temperature?
8)My oven will be installed/integrated immediately next to fridge freezer. (stupid I know) Will this be a problem when using the high temperature of the pyrolitic function? Or on the contrary, will the additional insulation inside a pyrolitic oven actually retain the heat better than normal during everyday use?
9)Are other Brands which belong to same parent company, such as De Dietrech & Edesa, still in business? If so, will they be able supply Fagor parts in future? Am I right to assume that many components would be used in other ovens throughout their different brands anyway?
10)What is possibility of Fagor factory & brands being purchased by another company in the future, who will honour the service contracts, warranties and supply of spare parts?
I realise there is no legal requirement to do this. But the parent company, Mondragon Corporation, is a very large company, I’d assume it would be in their best interests to ensure consumers trusted in their products do not suffer many problems?Any further advice (or warnings, for that matter!) anyone may have regarding this would be greatly appreciated.
I look forward to receiving all feedback, including the negative
Many thanks
February 3, 2014 at 7:07 pm #408877iadom
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Moved you to the dedicated Oven & Cooker forum, it will give your question a ‘bump’ if nothing else. 😉
February 3, 2014 at 7:17 pm #408878Martin
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Short answer to your epic post : my advice is there are better brands out there. Avoid Brandt stuff.
February 3, 2014 at 7:37 pm #408879kwatt
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SallyM79 wrote:I have some questions which I hope someone may be able to answer please
I will try as best I can.
SallyM79 wrote:1)If Fagor products are no longer in production, will it be difficult to obtain parts for this oven after warranty expires? How expensive will they be?
Most likely you are correct if that comes to pass but, as it stands right now, it’s hard to say exactly what will happen with the group.
If they do go completely then it is most likely that spares costs will rise.
SallyM79 wrote:2) Can much go wrong with an oven anyway? My current oven lasted 16 years! What type of failure is most frequent?
Lots, especially on a pyro oven. 😉
SallyM79 wrote:3)Does much go wrong with a Fagor oven? How many years life can be expected?
Hard to say, it depends on the use and luck if the truth be told.
Reasonably, anything from about 5-15 years. That doesn’t mean to say it won’t break in that period however, it is possible although not likely.
SallyM79 wrote:4)Do ovens have standard components? That is, do oven brands purchase components from 3rd party suppliers/manufacturers anyway? Such as elements, circuit board, etc?
Some, but very importantly, not all.
SallyM79 wrote:5)What components are likely to be unique to particular brands?
For example, Facias, casings, glass doors, knobs….maybe?All of the above and more.
SallyM79 wrote:6)Do Fagor in particular manufacture many unique components for their products, which can only be supplied by Fagor?
Yes, any cosmetic parts I’d imagine and glass panels as well as the carcass an hinges etc.
SallyM79 wrote:7)Can more go wrong with a pyrolitic oven? Or is the only difference the ability to heat to a high temperature and special interior finish to withstand a high temperature?
Yes, a lot.
Additional thermostats, electronic controls, door lock, additional glass and so on.
SallyM79 wrote:8)My oven will be installed/integrated immediately next to fridge freezer. (stupid I know) Will this be a problem when using the high temperature of the pyrolitic function? Or on the contrary, will the additional insulation inside a pyrolitic oven actually retain the heat better than normal during everyday use?
Not a good plan, even with a standard oven.
Pyro ovens do retain heat better in my experience, I have owned and used extensively both De Dietrich and Smeg but, unless there’s a burning (no pun intended) need to have one, I don’t recommend them. People assume that they get themselves all sparkly and clean and, that’s true to a degree, but not the full truth.
Residues around the door especially don’t get cleaned on a pyro cycle but it does make what’s left go brick hard. Think Weetabix from the dishwasher type residues to the power of ten and you’re in the ballpark.
SallyM79 wrote:9)Are other Brands which belong to same parent company, such as De Dietrech & Edesa, still in business? If so, will they be able supply Fagor parts in future? Am I right to assume that many components would be used in other ovens throughout their different brands anyway?
All the group brands are currently facing an unclear future until they get past the mess that they are currently in. Until that happens saying what will be the case in three months time with any certainty is not possible.
SallyM79 wrote:10)What is possibility of Fagor factory & brands being purchased by another company in the future, who will honour the service contracts, warranties and supply of spare parts?
Possible but also nowhere near certain and, I wouldn’t bet on it either way as there’s simply not enough clarity to call that at the moment.
SallyM79 wrote:I realise there is no legal requirement to do this. But the parent company, Mondragon Corporation, is a very large company, I’d assume it would be in their best interests to ensure consumers trusted in their products do not suffer many problems?
Again, I wouldn’t bet on that either way.
It’s a separate division and separate companies as well as, if it does go pop totally it is unlikely that Mondragon will do much of anything, they may even be unable to legally. That depends on the position legally in Spain and France largely I would imagine or, with whoever buys the group or bits of it if they break it up.
As you can see, there’s a lot we can’t tell you because neither we nor anyone else really knows what’s going to happen.
The actual oven will be fine, advice above taken into account of course, but just what will happen with the rest, who knows.
K.
February 4, 2014 at 3:04 pm #408880SallyM79
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Thanks for much for your time to provide me with this advice, especially to kwatt. I’ve sent you a PM kwatt
February 4, 2014 at 3:47 pm #408881SallyM79
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iadom wrote:Moved you to the dedicated Oven & Cooker forum, it will give your question a ‘bump’ if nothing else. 😉
thanks!
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