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  • #80008
    karlmb
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    Hi,
    I have a couple of years old Siemens washmashine that worked flawless since new around 2005.
    http://www.siemens-home.at/archiv/w{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}C3{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} … L1411.html
    E-number:WXL1411/12
    Its an import from Germany, I understood one of the last good ones produced in Germany just before they moved production to Poland..
    But now more and more often, it happens that the program of normal washing is stopped silent and the LED for “washen” is blinking only.
    The time window is showing a normal number of minutes left, and no fault code.
    The only way to get something happen then is to press “Start” again, and it seems that the program then starts over from beginning (not sure, it might be as smart as to continue but there normally says long time and not half time or something so I guess it simply starts over.)
    Then all is fine and the program works fine until end.

    What can be the problem, and why is no fault code shown?
    Are there any way to get into a service menu on these machines, and what fault codes can then be retrieved?

    I searched deep in internet but didnt manage to find any repair manual for these machines, is it availible somewhere, its a great machine otherwise and I would like to keep it running many years still…?
    I have the printed user manual but its useless…

    Thanks for any input!

    #411323
    Martin
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    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks "wasc

    When the ‘Washen’ LED flashes can you open the door?

    #411324
    iadom
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    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks "wasc

    ‘A couple of years old that has worked flawlessly since 2005. ❓ ❓ ❓

    #411325
    karlmb
    Participant

    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks "wasc

    Martin wrote:When the ‘Washen’ LED flashes can you open the door?

    No, at least I dont think so, can check next time it happens.

    #411326
    karlmb
    Participant

    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks "wasc

    iadom wrote:‘A couple of years old that has worked flawlessly since 2005. ❓ ❓ ❓

    😀 What I mean is that it worked perfect since I bought it back then, new, until now.

    #411327
    iadom
    Moderator

    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks "wasc

    The mind boggles. 😆

    #411328
    karlmb
    Participant

    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks "wasc

    I sat and watched one run today(60 deg normal wash, extra rinsing) and ofcourse the program went as intended.
    But I noted one strange thing, the first part of the wash, there is a pre-wash, without heating, right?
    I saw that the water was taken in via part 2, where I hade put the washing powder for MAIN wash!
    It means that the powder was taken in too early according to me, instead the water should go via part 1, where I can put pre-wash powder optionally.
    So, after the first pre-wash, all water + most of the washing powder is pumped out…
    The during main wash with heating, only some remains of washing powder is inside the machine…
    This is a fault in my eyes, and possibly from beginning of use of this machine….or is it the correct way of working for a modern machine..? :rolls:
    Later in the program and during rinse, water was taken also some times from part 1 and/or the softener section, so there is a switch at least.

    #411329
    Martin
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    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks “wasc

    The pre-wash channel [1] is on the right hand side and the main wash [11] is on the left with the Fabric Conditioner in the centre. And you say that on the main wash (that includes a Prewash) it takes water out of channel [11] at the first fill?

    #411330
    karlmb
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    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks

    Martin wrote:The pre-wash channel [1] is on the right hand side and the main wash [11] is on the left with the Fabric Conditioner in the centre. And you say that on the main wash (that includes a Prewash) it takes water out of channel [11] at the first fill?

    Correct!

    #411331
    Martin
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    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks "wasc

    karlmb wrote:Correct!

    Excellent, so that bit established as being in order at least. For the second part I must state that a 60 degree normal wash does NOT have a Prewash anyway. Only using the heavy soiling option (if your machine has that option that is?) would the Prewash channel be used.

    #411332
    karlmb
    Participant

    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks "wasc

    But shouldn’t the powder be together with the heated water and not pumped out after first fill…?

    #411333
    Martin
    Participant

    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks “wasc

    karlmb wrote:But shouldn’t the powder be together with the heated water and not pumped out after first fill…?

    If the programme you select ‘includes a Prewash’ then that stage of the wash cycle is unheated. A normal 60 degree wash doesn’t do a Prewash.

    #411334
    karlmb
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    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks "wasc

    The machine is this one:
    http://www.siemens-home.at/archiv/w{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}C3{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} … L1411.html
    The option there is are:
    Intensiv wash (not activated)
    Extra rinsing (activated) (we normally use this one)
    Knittershutz (not activated) (cant really tranlsate that but we never use)
    Then this time: 60 deg koch/buntwash

    In the manual it is written that if you want prewash, regardless of temperature, you should put washing powder in channel I.
    (+ II, for the main wash)
    The program runs the same but powder is also active during first fill.
    If you dont want pre-wash, only fill powder in channel II.
    This is what I did, and saw the powder going in during pre-wash fill (the first, not heated), and then pumped out, before the 2nd fill started, which was heated to 60 degrees.

    This is basics I think for washing mashines, all I have seen works the same, you dont have to push any buttons to select “pre-wash”, its only steered by if you put powder in channel I or not.
    Or am I totally wrong here?

    So, I think this is an malfunction on my machine, possible on all programs.
    How are the water directed to the two channels, there are two water valves, or some other kind of mechanism?
    Perhaps the two valves are connected the wrong way already in factory?
    The fills after 2nd seems to be filling in both channels, a bit in I and a bit in II so there all is working as intended anyway.

    #411335
    Martin
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    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks "wasc

    The link you gave doesn’t work by the way.
    Knitterschutz = Anti-crease option.
    Does this machine have both Hot and Cold fill or just one cold hose fitted?

    #411336
    karlmb
    Participant

    Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks "wasc

    Martin wrote:The link you gave doesn’t work by the way.
    Knitterschutz = Anti-crease option.
    Does this machine have both Hot and Cold fill or just one cold hose fitted?

    Strange, the link works for me here now?
    Copy the text in the link and paste in a new browser window?
    The machine have only cold water connection.
    I read further in the last page of the manual, and there it is stated that the program I run, should be with powder in channel I and II, if I want a pre-wash for extra dirty laundry. Then optional also “Intensiv wash”, (not activated this time).
    Thanks for translation, but what is then Anti-crease….? 🙂

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