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Hi all,
Is it true, Siemens washing machines used to be seen as being (effectively) premium Bosch’s?
Just between the two (and no others for now), why does Bosch seem to get recommended more than Siemens Washing machines, in the sub £500 range?
Especially when some of the machines are not that far apart in price?
Lazarus
Re: Bosch vs Siemens washing machines
Let’s put it this way, a lot of models share the same components, even at different price points.
Yet Siemens is seen as the more “premium” brand.
K.
Re: Bosch vs Siemens washing machines
‘Twas always thus Lazarus. Your story of Jesus bringing you back to life is a tad older that’s true. But Bosch have always been Siemens poorer cousin. The same blood runs through their veins so well spotted you my biblical friend. 😉
Re: Bosch vs Siemens washing machines
Siemens machines just had different electronics and thicker insulation than Bosch machines which basically used a lot of Balay design.
Re: Bosch vs Siemens washing machines
So why do Bosch washing machines, seem to be recommended more frequently over Siemens ones, by forum members (out of the two brands).
I guess this is what I’m really trying to discover.
Re: Bosch vs Siemens washing machines
Money is key. Siemens are a very good product, just like a BMW M5 is better than Ford Focus. Depends what your wallet and ego requires.
But a common complaint is why has my machine broke. All appliances require maintenance, yet many Mrs Smiths will rate an 8 yr old washer with worn brushes as being disappointed. I had a guy once, his 6 yr old oven needed it’s 2nd element, I’m called under the breakdown policy & he wanted to complain to the policy company that his product keeps breaking.
Some peeps really don’t think before they complain.
Re: Bosch vs Siemens washing machines
Hi
BSH group consists of Bosch, Neff and Siemens up until early this year all three had their own rep and traded as separate companies under the one umbrella.
Forgetting Neff as their products are 99{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} built in appliances you are left with the other two.Here comes the boring part 😉 Siemens used to start price wise where Bosch finished so it was deemed to be up market however since the economic downturn Siemens have entered price points very similar to Bosch by down specifying existing models to create new ones.
Both names are now in direct competition to each other which to me does not seem right but hey ho.BSH as a group have now restructured, instead of three reps each region now has two, one who services the kitchen trade and the other who visits electrical retailers like ourselves. So for each third of his visit he wears each of the three caps.
From a business point of view the cost price varies by brand as to how many products you keep on display, what level of turnover you achieve per year and so on. We decided to stock Bosch and Neff but not Siemens as generally their products are more expensive overall. As an aside Siemens are more popular on mainland Europe whereas Bosch are more popular here in the UK.There is very little difference between a Siemens at £479 and it’s Bosch rival. So unless there is a real good deal out there it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other.
HTH 😀
DonRe: Bosch vs Siemens washing machines
Okay, given the five year warranty, which one would be the better choice?
Siemens
WM14Q390GBvs.
Siemens
WM14Q360GBI got £500 (mid-mark) to invest.
Re: Bosch vs Siemens washing machines
Hi
Both have drums that will split apart if required, both are now older models so comparisons will need to be made locally, as Lee8 says ” it depends on your needs”.
Either way you will have a good machine and with 5 years peace of mind all you need to do now is order one!!
HTH 😀
DonRe: Bosch vs Siemens washing machines
Hi Don,
Please help me understand:
Subject: Which one of these washers? (+ some drum info)
Was there a change at somepoint?
Martin seems to be saying the 390 might have a sealed tub?
Re: Bosch vs Siemens washing machines
Hi
Have a peek for yourself here on the Siemens spares site put in your model ie WM14Q360GB/ I used the latest number ie 15.Page three on each diagram gives you the explosion of the split tub assembly.
Things change rather quickly in our industry, split tub today sealed tub tomorrow :rolls:
DonRe: Bosch vs Siemens washing machines
I’m genuinely grateful for all your input and insight.
As an amateur, I’m looking at the diagram, and it is still not 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} clear cut to me.
Scanning the exploded diagram and list, I can’t see the screws that might join two split-tub halves together.
Please help me see with my amateur eyes, what an expert can.
How can I tell that this diagram is showing that the two halves are held together via screw and clips, instead of through a weld?
Maybe I’m over-thinking this but surely, even if the tub was welded, the schematic would still have to show it in this separated/exploded format, so that the internal components could be documented too?
http://www.siemens-home.co.uk/store/spareparts/Frontloadingautomaticwashingmachine/WM14Q360GB/15
So how do I tell?
Genuine and sincere thanks,
Lazarus.
Re: Bosch vs Siemens washing machines
That looks like a sealed tank unit.
Many are on both Bosch and Siemens brands and, many are the same. The difference, so far as I can tell and keep in mind I’ve not researched this in depth as I’ve no call to do so, is in the electronics and software as well as perhaps a few other things, largely cosmetic.
I did a little research for a thread on Which? and it turned out that a considerable number of components in one Bosch and one Siemens machines rated as a “Best Buy” were in fact identical.
The difference, other than cursory stuff, was one had a two year warranty, the other a five year warranty. The cost of that I guess was accounting for the lion’s share of the difference as, with the same tank and drum etc there’s not going to be much of a discernible difference in performance.
From memory, the trade price of the tank group was about the £200 mark or so. Retail you can kiss goodbye to £300. Or, in other words, when the bearings wear out it’s a pile of scrap.
How fast the bearings will wear out is anyone’s guess, that depends entirely on how much it’s used as a general rule and, in respect to warranty, keep in mind that unless it is a failure extraordinarily early in the life then it is a “wear and tear” item that fails through use.
K.
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