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I have just bought a Hotpoint H38L493 washing machine – 1400 spin/8kg.
After reading the manual it does nothing that I want it to do. I usually do a full load on 40{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} or 30{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} with maximum spin, I do about three loads like this in a day once a week.
Out of 14 programmes there are only 3 that acutally take 8kg at the 1400 speed, one of those is a 20{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} wash, the other 11 are half loads low spins. The only wash that I would use takes 3 hours – none of this was explained when I purchased this machine. I could handwash and spin a maximum load in less than half the time it takes for the machine to do it.
I want to take this machine to the dump, I have wasted money I don’t have, I need a replacement, any recommendations on an old fashioned type machine that washes full loads on 40{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} spins decently and does not take all day?Re: My new washing machine is totally unsuitable for my need
A Hotpoint WM76 would be perfect for you. 😉
Welcome to the world of the tree huggers, you will find that most appliances on the market work along similar lines. When energy rated performance takes control then lots of the things you liked about older machnies go right out the window. You would have to go up market to higher spec Bosch or Miele appliances and even then you would not get an ‘old fashioned’ wash performance.
PS. No one really needs 8kg washing machines in a domestic situation.
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Thanks for your reply, I can’t find a WM 76 to buy online, any ideas where I can find one?
I do need a 8kg load – Typical load for me – 2 large bath sheets, 4 hand towels, large thick fluffy bath mat, any spare space would be filled up with underware etc. Like to fill up and get it done, would never use half loads, never got any.
Best machine I ever owned was 1972 Indesit lasted 15 years and did the job required of it.
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I was being tongue in cheek with the WM76 reference, went out of production years ago but machines of that era are the only ones that will match your criteria.
If you chose to wash all of those totally different items in the same load then I am sorry but you are just not using the machine, any machine for that matter as it was designed. 🙁
The average wash load in the whole of the UK is much less than 3kg, if you want to stuff your machine full of items that should not be washed together then don’t expect it to wash properly.
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Tbanks again for your reply, must just say the aforesaid washload of towels bathmat underware etc. is all cotton, all with the same wash label, I do read them, don’t see the problem,, even the hated new machine on it’s one and only use did this load fine, only problem it took 3 hours, was sunny outisde when I started could have got it dry, 3 hours later dark skys. Incidently If I split the load into 2 smaller ones what would be the point?
Everyone has their own way of doing things I am old fashioned true, but I just want to get the darned washing out of the way, change my bedding, towels underware and clothes on a Monday and see the end of it. but I don’t want to be chasing washing from down to dusk.
As for the machine you quoted me, I have been using my son’s similar WMF740 while he was between flats, great machine, couldn’t fault it, but he wants it back.. I want brand new one just like it, am I asking for the Moon?
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In a word yes, the WM76 is a totally different machine to the WMF and much older. For what it’s worth your new machine is actually 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} Indesit anyway. 😉
Re: My new washing machine is totally unsuitable for my need
If the machine is new, perhaps send it back to the shop and change it for something else as you says not meeting your requirements and you did mention this at the point of sale.
Sadly there aren’t many washing machines that can do decent job without going into the expense of Miele.
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twicknix wrote:Sadly there aren’t many washing machines that can do decent job without going into the expense of Miele.
You’ll find all makes take just as long to complete a wash cycle. Hours instead of minutes. Miele wash programmes go on for hours. Miele are one of the worst for cycle times. For example at 7kg load of cotton towels will take 4 hours to wash. Super-Eco friendly they ain’t!
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Martin wrote:Super-Eco friendly they ain’t!
Perhaps but, how so, please explain your reasoning?
It’s simple physics, washing longer does not mean more energy is used, less in fact. Hence, almost universal move the same way unless you’re in a Third World country or the USA and have an old top loader that are extremely inefficient.
Arguably better wash performance or, more forgiving to “user error” but massive energy and detergent use in comparison to a modern front loader.
The simple truth is; to use less energy you need to wash longer.
It’s physics. You cannot get around it, just cheat a bit here and there.
K.
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kwatt wrote:Perhaps but, how so, please explain your reasoning?
Energy performance labelling (based on EN60456) uses the 60deg cottons cycle to determine the energy efficiency of each appliance. Using the Miele wash cycle times as an example, a 3.5kg load takes 2hrs 59 mins consuming 0.82Kwh. However a 7kg load takes exactly the same time (2hrs 59mins) and consumes 0.94Kwh of electricity. So,irrespective of loading the cycle times being pre-determined, perhaps to ensure the perfect wash, but make little provision for half loads. That’s not an energy efficient approach.
The “simple physics” you refer to is not adapted by the IEC/EU directive in determining the energy performance standard, quite the contrary. In fact they use a highly complex series of formulae based on years of laboratory testing just to prove today’s washing machine uses, on average, 37{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} less electricity and 31{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} less water than machines produced in 1997. What they have failed to overlook is the extended completed wash times these regulations have created. That the size of load has little effect on these wash times and that the dramatic increase in wear and tear limits durability of the product overall.
The 1997 machine washed quicker and lasted far longer. Was more adaptable to small loads. Often washed them in half the time. A family wash could be completed in half a day (tumble drying included). These days a typical family wash takes best part of two days due to the fact that both washing machine AND tumble dryer take more than twice as long per cycle. (This paragraph statement has no scientific basis whatsoever, just simple observation based on hands on experience :wink:)
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Simple answer to para 1, don’t wash small loads.
But, if the load is too large then you create other issues.
The extended wash time is of no concern other than to users who, on occasion, appear to wish that they could get fast washes using minimal amounts of energy in huge drums and still have many years of durability at a fraction of the cost the machines should be in reality.
The thing is, that’s not all possible.
So, manufacturers simply do what they can to try to appease what the customers want and what the legislation demands.
Legislation demands reductions in energy consumption, what people think of that isn’t really the manufacturer’s problem is it? That’s a political issue, not a technical one.
K.
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Jaqueline, just to clarify, do you mean you are using the product at 20-30-40 percent of the drums capacity, or do you mean that these washes are at the temperature 20-30-40 degrees etc?
It does have a 30 minute quick wash function.
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