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Re: Samsung fridge freezer explodes!
That is the problem of R600a in fridges.
Always a risk with internal leaks.
That is why Mercedes are refusing to change from 134a to R600a as they have been told to do by the EU.
Bob
Re: Samsung fridge freezer explodes!
SAMURI wrote:That is the problem of R600a in fridges.
Good lord! And that stuff is offered as a special at the UKW meeting coming up!
……you’re only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!”
Re: Samsung fridge freezer explodes!
Martin wrote:[
Good lord! And that stuff is offered as a special at the UKW meeting coming up!All new refrigeration that lands in the UK is R600a by law so if people want the stuff repaired then R600a has to be used hence the good deal that Masterpart are offering
Re: Samsung fridge freezer explodes!
I didn’t realise R600a could be literally explosive. Perhaps another major recall potential if more Samsungs start blowing up?
Is it dangerous storing the stuff?
Re: Samsung fridge freezer explodes!
Hi Martin
Looks like you didn’t read the samsung thread that ran for years with exactly this result. Or it could be your age and memory playing up again.
It only causes a problem when customers ignore the warning signs or fuses tripping and then just resetting or changing the plug fuse. The fuse / trip would have tripped more than a few times before this happened.But as it then restarted and worked for another 8 hours the customer ignored it. So there is fault to be put on both sides.. One for Samsung for designing a Defrost heater with the fault of shorting at a particular place and not sorting the problem out earlier. the customer is fault for ignoring the warning signs and just kept replacing the fuse or resetting it.
If I would expect the appliance had NOT had the fuse mod carried out then how much more can samsung do if the customer doesn’t reply or ignore a massive TV and newspaper coverage..did they just sit in a cave without tv or never read a newspaper I doubt it but more likely ignored it.
As for cars..Petrol tanks have electrical components right next to them and do corrode and do go on fire so should we ban cars or petrol ? And in actual fact chip pan and friers cause the majority of fires in the home but I don’t see those been banned.
Bryan
Re: Samsung fridge freezer explodes!
Martin wrote:I didn’t realise R600a could be literally explosive.
It’s basically Calor gas so, yup, it is flammable and when under pressure and/or in a confined area and exposed to a spark or flame tends to go BANG!
But it is environmentally friendly, the polar bears aren’t getting a suntan and the ozone layer is intact or, not getting worse due to CFC based refrigerant gasses.
All domestic refrigeration now must use R600a by law worldwide AFAIK, that’s it, tough.
Slowly it’s being pushed into other applications as well as Bob points out.
K.
Re: Samsung fridge freezer explodes!
R600a systems are not covered by F Gas rules if it is a factory sealed system.
If it has been repaired and gas is in the appliance then it is covered by F Gas rules as you cannot know without testing if it has been recharged with R600a.
If it has been repaired before and no gas is in the system then you can repair it as there is no gas in it.
Strange rules.
If a leak is not detected and you Regas it and it has an internal leak then you risk blowing the bloody doors off.
As Brian said earlier this was a known fault on some Samsung models and also a few other makes of earlier R600a fridge freezers.
Some Iceland Kyoto models the light switch triggered blowing the doors off if they had an internal leak.If you carry more than three small cylinders on the van then you need to display flammable gas stickers on the van this includes all flammable gas small cylinders.
Large cylinders you always need to display the stickers on the van.
The amount of electrical items in the home all have a risk to them but percentage wise with the millions of items in use then it’s very low just more publicity now a days
Bob
Re: Samsung fridge freezer explodes!
Mercedes are refusing to use R600a in the air conditioning as they say if it leaked in to a modern car passenger area it could explode if some one lite a cigarette or an accident happened, this could also cause the fuel to explode.
It will be interesting to see how they get on by refusing to follow the rules.
It will also cause problems when repairers will no longer be able to use R134a in the near future.
Bob
Re: Samsung fridge freezer explodes!
is this a time warp thread? This sounds like 15 years ago.
Don’t worry.. It’s only Martin showing his age and the dementia coming into play :eeek:
Bryan
Re: Samsung fridge freezer explodes!
r600a wrote:Hi Martin
Looks like you didn’t read the samsung thread that ran for years with exactly this result. Or it could be your age and memory playing up again.
A combination of all three I would think Bryan. But it is so very kind of you to go to the trouble of explaining why this happens even to the old and demented even though, in truth, I don’t give a monkeys anyway.
You be sure and have a nice weekend. Matron tells me my family are coming to visit sometime today.
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