Running a UK washing machine on 220V 60Hz

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    xmastree
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    Here’s an odd one.

    I have a Hotpoint WMFG 741 and I’ve brought it with me to the Philippines where the mains voltage is 220V 60Hz. I was prepared for this to be an issue, but hoped it wouldn’t be insurmountable.

    So, how well does it work?

    Filling and washing are fine, but the drain pump doesn’t like the higher frequency and the impeller just wobbles rather than spinning. I initially got round this by obtaining a generic pump locally (actually a 24V one with suitable adaptor) and inserting it in the drain pipe just after the main pump.
    This kind of worked, but it didn’t like pumping air so I had to drop the hose to ground level to prime it. Once primed it pumped out just fine.

    But then it got weird. After draining the drum spins a little, then it all stops. Then it sits there doing nothing for about four minutes before the drain pump starts up and the short spin starts again. This lasts about one minute then it stops and does nothing for another four minutes. It seems to get stuck in this loop.

    Eventually I found (on eBay) a 220V 60Hz pump for a Whirlpool machine which looked like it would probably fit so I took a gamble and bought it. It duly arrived and did indeed fit; The pump body was different but the plate containing the motor and impeller was the same so I swapped them over. Ran the machine and it drains just fine. However, the behaviour after draining is just as it was before, most perplexing.

    I’ve resorted to doing a wash cycle, then once it’s drained I turn off, turn back on and do a couple of rinse cycles before a spin and pump out cycle. They all end with the short spin thing, meaning that the clothes don’t ever get a proper spin cycle and come out wetter than they should. It’s not the end of the world, but I would like to be able to “fire and forget” rather than have to babysit the machine.

    My gut feeling is that it doesn’t think it has emptied properly, and is waiting for some signal. Is there a sensor somewhere, or does it sense the load on the motor drive circuit and can ‘feel’ when there’s no more water in the pump. If it’s the latter then I may well be up a gum tree. 😕

    I’ve done some googling and the only issues I can see people having with 50/60Hz operation is with the drain pump, which I have replaced.

    Is there anything else I can check to see what may be the problem? I haven’t seen any error codes, but then maybe I haven’t left it in this loop long enough yet.

    Thanks for reading this.

    #445622
    electrofix
    Moderator

    Re: Running a UK washing machine on 220V 60Hz

    had these sort of problems before but not on this machine. Work in Liverpool and get asked to look at machines on board ship. the electrical supplies on board ship are tied to where they are made so a lot run on 60hz
    had a hoover machine that had been installed on board a ship. the supplier had changed the pump and sold it as a converted machine. this machine had a standard brush motor and I soon realised that this motor was not as powerful on 60 hz. As soon as I removed the machine and put it on a 50hz supply it was fine

    its difficult to know what is causing your last spin to fail but I can speculate. the motor is monitored by the module for speed. they use this info to detect if the load is out of balance. If the power of the motor is lower then the expected speeds will not be reached or speed will fluctuate. this may make the machine assume the load is out od balance and abort the programme

    try it with a very small load or with no load and see if it will spin

    Dave

    #445623
    Gerry85
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    Re: Running a UK washing machine on 220V 60Hz

    I have come across this issue twice before and from my experiance your machine simpley will not operate properly. The power supply goes into the main pcb and is distrubted around the machine from there……most likely the lower frequency of 50Hz has damaged the pcb. Every component in your machine will be rated to run at 60hz, not just the pump.

    Quick answer…you need a new washing machine

    #445624
    electrofix
    Moderator

    Re: Running a UK washing machine on 220V 60Hz

    whilst I can see you point Gerry85 it is unlikely the board will be affected. most big boards use a switch mode power supply. In this type of supply the voltage is rectified and smoothed to DC and then converted so frequency will have no effect. some board use a transformer to lower the voltage and a 50hz transformer should be quite happy on 60 hz its the other way round you have problems

    Dave

    #445625
    xmastree
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    Re: Running a UK washing machine on 220V 60Hz

    Thanks guys.
    The main motor is definitely on some sort of speed controller, I can hear it whining. That seems to be working normally but I shall run it empty tomorrow (on a “spin and pump out program”) and report back.

    #445626
    xmastree
    Participant

    Re: Running a UK washing machine on 220V 60Hz

    xmastree wrote: I shall run it empty tomorrow (on a “spin and pump out program”) and report back.

    Right. I set it to rinse and let it take on some water, then I cancelled that and set it to pump out and spin. It pumped out, then spun for a short while before getting stuck in the aforementioned loop.

    #445627
    electrofix
    Moderator

    Re: Running a UK washing machine on 220V 60Hz

    this may sound stupid but try this

    find the wash heater. disconnect both wires and tape them up for safety.

    then see if it will spin.

    I realise it wont wash because it has no heater but we get problems with electronics if the heaters have a slight fault to earth. not enough to blow any trips but just enough to mess with the electronics

    if the machine does a self check as it starts it may well reject this test as it cant see the heater but it cant help to try.
    also I am assuming there is a solid electric supply. As the motor goes into spin it draw more current rapidly. if the supply to the machine is fed with incorrect or faulty cables or components their will be a sudden volt drop which could upset the electronics

    Dave

    #445628
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: Running a UK washing machine on 220V 60Hz

    It won’t work.

    The pump and motor will never work on the wrong voltage frequency.

    I’ve seen this before many times as mentioned previously on ships etc and you can convert them but, it’s a new motor and pump as well as voltage control board if used or it will never be right.

    K.

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