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May 19, 2005 at 7:08 pm #9678
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KeymasterSpeaking today with a work provider employee who was expressing his frustration with the “Independent ” market at being so fragmented.
He was not in anyway being rude towards UKW, in a roundabout way he was hopeful that we might be able to do what Dasa clearly couldn’t, that is bring a level of unity that would give massive power to the independents. He is impressed with what UKW has so far achieved and supports our aims and goals.
He went on to explain that during negotiations with suppliers he was constantly reminded of the fact that GBDAR and JTM can get work done for £30.00 a call, which really undermined hios position in negotiating £40.00 + for his agents.
What followed was a short conversation where I was asked why some independents work for such stupid rates, and why couldn’t they see that by refusing such work, by uniting the industry to do like wise, they could and would drive the rewards upwards. It was a short conversation because I had to agree with him and confess I hadn’t a clue, why.Perhaps those of you who read this and work for £33.00 or less would care to enlighten me, please?
As a rough guide on a bad week £33.00 will allow you not to lose money and on a good week you might make a £5.00.
Kevinps
Food for thought.
At Sibson we rolled out a scheme to fund “grants” toward training, it has taken a step forward now with several companies showing more than just interest. What a shame that ISDAL have completely ruled out their participation without coming to the inaugural meeting, even though they completely rely on independents to deliver their service.May 19, 2005 at 11:21 pm #135198Penguin45
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The sooner that that mailing goes out and we start getting through to the missing chunk of the industry the sooner that we can really respond to that question. Soon perhaps?
Chris.
May 20, 2005 at 11:44 am #135199admin
KeymasterInteresting comments Kev,
If you can do what Dasa could not the would be excellent for the industry. You have a number of very committed people helping you and then you have all us subscribers who fully support you. The problem is then the apathy within the rest of the industry, many will not help or will only help when there is something in it for them and not to help their colleges. Dasa fell down for many reasons but the main one is support. If you can fix the support problem then I would feel you are well on your way
May 20, 2005 at 9:56 pm #135200kwatt
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DASA has failed on several fronts Jason, not through the lack of enthusiasm, goals or ideals but through a lack of commitment from the director and consecutive councils over many years. It also, due to CH, took the stance that it would not upset anyone, that was solely down to CH for the largest part and was the rock that DASA perished on in many ways IMO.
Regardless of the benefits to be had DASA forgot the golden rule of a trade association and that is that it is there to protect it’s members. In that it has, time after time, failed to do. Therefore instead of attracting new members it has been percieved, rightly or wrongly, as sitting on the sidelines doing nothing, offering little and contributing virtually nothing.
I have said many times and I’ll say it again until someone actually listens, that DASA could have a future but not in it’s current format. The problem is that you have so many people that are either on the council or as “prominent” members that are living in 1980 when the world was a different place.
I’m not trying to be critical here, just to tell it like it is.
But just look at the support from many, many people on here!
I’m actually starting to think that just maybe we’re not all as apathetic as was once believed as there’s a hell of a lot of commitment and drive from a lot of the guys here, not least those that have access to this room. And it’s more than just a passion for their own business, I applaud it. I applaud the fact that these people can see beyond just their own little problems in their own corner of the world and that there is an underlying current that wants the trade to improve by whatever means.
The impression that we are giving to one and all, public and trade, is that of being highly organised, motivated, skilled and committed to the industry. That increases our worth and percieved value before we even type or say a word to those looking in, so, in my eyes, we’re already winning, I just want it to be better.
And we listen, form strategy, then impliment. We listen greatly to the issues in here and from talking to you guys and we try to come up with solutions, there’s no point whining about it, do something about it. It’s not rocket science.
On Monday the 23rd first batch leaves, followed by one on Tuesday and then again on Friday with a two-three day lead time to hitting floors. Every single repairer listed in the UK will recieve a nice UK Whitegoods brochure, watch the mail. 😉
Oh and admin and the moderators may have a little extra work to do over the next couple of weeks due to this.
What I would say is try to stay away from the topic of DASA in the forums, as we have been doing, as quite frankly, it’s in no condition to cope with an influx as there’s little to no admin as you and Mark simply haven’t the time and directing anyone to either website isn’t exactly going to do DASA any favours.
We are pressing ahead with other things as well, but all in good time. 😉
K.
May 20, 2005 at 10:07 pm #135201Dave_Conway
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Frankly I think you are banging your heads against a brick wall, so…
I agree Jason, for all it’s bad points, DASA has tried and failed to gain unity, may that be poor management or whatever, at the time and in it’s day it was the only possible avenue open, UKW has offered a different approach which has and will continue to reach the parts others cannot (stolen from some dutch lager company :lol:) but still the apathy remains…
Chris, the landing will be very soon (next week).
By then, I will not be about to experiance it as I have quite frankly had enough of the internal and external politics, stupid cryptic comments and trying to protect one’s own interests which goes against the whole grain of why UKW started in the first place.
Oh and admin and the moderators may have a little extra work to do over the next couple of weeks due to this.
Not me I’m afraid.
So, it’s been nice knowing you……
Convince me otherwise 😉
Dave.
May 20, 2005 at 10:19 pm #135202kwatt
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You need a holiday! 😆
There’s not been any politics or cryptic comments on here at all really, what you on about? 😕 :con:
Anyways we do have work to do and you know it, and you know why we have work to do.
K.
May 20, 2005 at 10:23 pm #135203Dave_Conway
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kwatt wrote:Anyways we do have work to do and you know it, and you know why we have work to do.
Like I said, without me I’m afraid …..
My health and family mean a whole lot more 😉
D
May 20, 2005 at 10:37 pm #135204kwatt
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Dave_Conway wrote:My health and family mean a whole lot more 😉
Which is exactly why we’re doing what we’re doing.
I had a life… once. Now I have UK Whitegoods.
I’ve had no pay for three months, shitloads of hassles with builders, joiners, mortgages, salaries, finances amongst a host of other crap to wade through. But I can, for once, start to see some light at the end of the tunnel and tangible benefits for me and others, to me that’s worth chasing down.
There’s a price to pay for any endevour and the price I pay is that I don’t have a normal life in the hope that others can and improve theirs due to my, Kevin and your efforts. Which is what Monday is all about.
K.
May 21, 2005 at 9:08 am #135205Dave_Conway
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OK, knee jerk reaction combined with over-tiredness etc …
I can also see tangible benfits to the trade as a whole, but apathy rules I’m afraid, there’s no getting away from that fact, apart from the members here and a few others.
Frustrating at times isn’t it ? 😉
Dave.
May 22, 2005 at 8:21 am #135206Martin
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A lot rests on this mail-out as this will be the very first time that ALL independents en-masse will hear of UKW. Now response rates I expect to be somewhat dissappointing, possibly even in single figure percentages. But there will be a flood of activity in viewings to the site initially and lets hope that some stick around and join our throng.
Apathy only becomes an issue when those in the trade invest their time, effort and own money into something that falls way beyond their hopes and asperations. UKW is therefore unique in offering something for nothing, shitloads of it in fact, that should clearly tempt better participation, cooperation and unification within our ranks?
Sink or swim time I reckon ❗
May 22, 2005 at 10:26 pm #135207Dave_Conway
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Martin wrote:ALL independents en-masse will hear of UKW.
No, not all, only those that advertise in Yellow pages or Yell.com, at the moment anyway 😉
Martin wrote:Now response rates I expect to be somewhat dissappointing
I don’t to be honest, given the emails that admin and webmaster addys we recieve, on the whole it’s “what a revelation” type comment.
Martin wrote:Apathy only becomes an issue when those in the trade invest their time, effort and own money into something that falls way beyond their hopes and asperations. UKW is therefore unique in offering something for nothing, shitloads of it in fact, that should clearly tempt better participation, cooperation and unification within our ranks?
Indeed, please ignore my previous negative comments, I was having a bad day as we all get at times, I wouldn’t still be here if I thought it was a fruitless excersise 😀
If all else fails, we have established a community already which we can build on, have we not ? :tup:
Dave.
May 23, 2005 at 8:55 pm #135208kwatt
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Dave_Conway wrote:If all else fails, we have established a community already which we can build on, have we not ? :tup:
Yes and one that’s become a lifeline, a sounding board, a soapbox and a host of other things to each person that uses it and, as you rightly say, we get loads of emails telling us that it’s great. In fact, the only people that have a problem with UKW are the ones that get some stick from the people on here.
In not even two years we’ve accomplished a hell of a lot, more than I ever thought was possible and it’s all happened through a bit of hard work, dedication and teamwork.
Just think what the future could hold, we may not set the world to rights, but we might just be able to make ours that bit better and if we manage that I think we should all be well chuffed with ourselves.
K.
May 30, 2005 at 3:59 pm #135209admin
KeymasterOnce again good luck with all you efforts guys , you deserve everything you get from your efforts. It will be interesting to see where Dasa goes from here as I am loosing my enthusiasm. Maybe enthusiasm is the wrong word be other people have to start to take the lead and put in the effort and ideas.
You guys appear to have got it right by sharing the effort and splitting the work load.
Anything you can do for the industry will be highly appreciated whether it be UKW or Dasa is irrelevent as long as we all move forward
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