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June 21, 2020 at 8:27 am #97862
Richjkk
ParticipantHi
i have one large fridge freezer, one mini fridge freezer and one normal freezer in my kitchen. The mini fridge freezer is plugged into a different socket from the other two
Every now and then, around once a month or so, they all shut down and don’t come on again until I play around with the knobs inside them. Which im guessing is the thermostat?
Why is this happening? My understanding is that it’s normal for the compressors to Shut down a few times per day and then come on again. Which they normally do and they all remain cold. But for some reason, every now and then, they don’t. And all 3 appliances start to go warm. Not just one of them but all 3. Is there some kind of power overload going on here?
Thanks a lot
June 21, 2020 at 8:35 am #469884electrofix
Moderatorthere is no reason i can think of for this happening but whatever it is must be common to all units. you say they are in different sockets but are they on the same circuit so fed from the same fuse ?
Dave
June 21, 2020 at 8:45 am #469885Richjkk
Participantelectrofix wrote:there is no reason i can think of for this happening but whatever it is must be common to all units. you say they are in different sockets but are they on the same circuit so fed from the same fuse ?
Dave
I’m not sure about the circuit Dave. I think so, how can I check? I deliberately moved the mini fridge freezer to another socket to see if that was the problem but it’s still happening.
One other thing to add, one of the guys I live with tends to put a bit too much food in his area of the large fridge. So the top half of the fridge is quite packed. Could this be the issue? Overheating the fridge somehow?
i just can’t believe a couple of slightly over full shelves would cause this to happen
June 21, 2020 at 9:47 am #469886electrofix
Moderatorthe only thing you would get is lack of air flow within the fridge. If its an old style unit then only the back wall gets cold. If you insulate this with walls of food and no air flow then only the food close to the wall will be cold and the lack of air flow means it may not turn back on when it is supposed to
my only though was there may have been an electrical problem with the circuit they are on/ its a long shot but its the only thing i can think links all 3. If you get a power fault that turns them all off at the same time it may cause your problem. Most fridges that get turned off wont restart if they are too warm
try simulating this by turning off the socket for 1o secs and see if the fault you have is reproduced on switch on
you can find out if they are on the same circuit by switching off the circuit at the fuse box to see which items are on which fuse
Dave
June 21, 2020 at 10:02 am #469887Richjkk
Participantelectrofix wrote:the only thing you would get is lack of air flow within the fridge. If its an old style unit then only the back wall gets cold. If you insulate this with walls of food and no air flow then only the food close to the wall will be cold and the lack of air flow means it may not turn back on when it is supposed to
my only though was there may have been an electrical problem with the circuit they are on/ its a long shot but its the only thing i can think links all 3. If you get a power fault that turns them all off at the same time it may cause your problem. Most fridges that get turned off wont restart if they are too warm
try simulating this by turning off the socket for 1o secs and see if the fault you have is reproduced on switch on
you can find out if they are on the same circuit by switching off the circuit at the fuse box to see which items are on which fuse
Dave
Ok thanks I’ll look into this.
I personally have the mini fridge freezer to myself. As a short term solution, could I just plug it into a different circuit? So if the other two shut down, mine will be ok?
Im not sure how circuits work. Are they’ve simply divided into different rooms? I have an extension cord I could use to plug the fridge into a living room or hallway socket?
June 21, 2020 at 10:54 am #469888electrofix
Moderatorif one is on a different circuit and it works ok then that points in the direction of a circuit fault
Dave
June 21, 2020 at 12:38 pm #469889Richjkk
Participantelectrofix wrote:if one is on a different circuit and it works ok then that points in the direction of a circuit fault
Dave
Ok so I’ve check the fuse box. It’s an old style one so I had to remove one by one to see if they are on the same circuit. And it looks like they’re not.
This wouldn’t make any sense right? If they are on different circuits why would they effect each other?
June 21, 2020 at 1:23 pm #469890electrofix
Moderatorcorrect we can eliminate an electrical problem
after that have no real idea why they seem to be doing the same thingone thing you have to be aware of is these seem to be controlled by an electronic circuit which means if you reset the temp on the dial it is never instant like the old mechaniclke stats were
Dave
June 21, 2020 at 1:38 pm #469891Richjkk
Participantelectrofix wrote:correct we can eliminate an electrical problem
after that have no real idea why they seem to be doing the same thingone thing you have to be aware of is these seem to be controlled by an electronic circuit which means if you reset the temp on the dial it is never instant like the old mechaniclke stats were
Dave
Can you explain your last point again please?
What should I do at this point? Get an electrician round?
June 21, 2020 at 2:06 pm #469892electrofix
Moderatorold fridge freezers use a mechanical thermostat so you turn it up and the switch closes and the compressor starts
new style units use an electronic board. This means the knob just feed into a board which then decides when to turn it back on. The point is when you turn the knob dont expect instant results. Also later models when turned off and back on at the wall sometimes go into a defrost cycle first which again means the compressor wont start immediatly
As for the electrician it cant do any harm in fact it sounds almost like a HMO situation and could well do with the electrics updating and checking
An HMO is defined as more than 5 people from different housholds living in one property. something you would need a licience for in Croyden. If your under 5 your ok but the electrics still sound like they need a thorough checkDave
June 21, 2020 at 2:25 pm #469893Richjkk
Participantelectrofix wrote:old fridge freezers use a mechanical thermostat so you turn it up and the switch closes and the compressor starts
new style units use an electronic board. This means the knob just feed into a board which then decides when to turn it back on. The point is when you turn the knob dont expect instant results. Also later models when turned off and back on at the wall sometimes go into a defrost cycle first which again means the compressor wont start immediatly
As for the electrician it cant do any harm in fact it sounds almost like a HMO situation and could well do with the electrics updating and checking
An HMO is defined as more than 5 people from different housholds living in one property. something you would need a licience for in Croyden. If your under 5 your ok but the electrics still sound like they need a thorough checkDave
Yes when they have stopped working and I try to turn the knob to make it work again the compressor doesn’t always come back on. I have to wait a while.
Thanks a lot for your help today. Do you have any other thoughts what could be going on here? Why the compressors on all 3 fridge freezers won’t come back on again like this?
But it only happening every once in a while? Thanks again
June 21, 2020 at 2:31 pm #469894electrofix
Moderatorno idea its very odd all 3 seem to be doing the same thing at the same time. you need to keep an eye on them. Make sure there is room aroung them. Most units get rid of hot air at the back and i have seen units with lots of things stored on the top which in time gets pushed back so the hot air cant escape
has this happened in very hot weather ?
Dave
June 21, 2020 at 3:01 pm #469895Richjkk
Participantelectrofix wrote:no idea its very odd all 3 seem to be doing the same thing at the same time. you need to keep an eye on them. Make sure there is room aroung them. Most units get rid of hot air at the back and i have seen units with lots of things stored on the top which in time gets pushed back so the hot air cant escape
has this happened in very hot weather ?
Dave
No i think this all started around 6 months or so in the winter time. Ive since reorganised things so now none have anything on top of them and the mini fridge freezer I use is on the other side of the kitchen. The other two are next to each other still.
All 3 knobs are set in the middle. Should I change this? And put them closer to maximum? This is what I have to do to get the compressors to start working again. I switch it to the highest setting. Then I move them back to the middle. And like I said most of the time this is fine.
Should I do some kind of thermostat reset which each fridge? I’m just totally lost at this point
June 21, 2020 at 3:07 pm #469896electrofix
Moderatorbuy a fridge thermometer for each unit. you need to check the temps of both fridge and feezer on a regular basis and adjust to suit. when its hotter it will need to be set higher . to be safe the freezer needs to be -18 or below and the fridge between 2 and 5 degrees
dave
June 21, 2020 at 3:34 pm #469897Richjkk
Participantelectrofix wrote:buy a fridge thermometer for each unit. you need to check the temps of both fridge and feezer on a regular basis and adjust to suit. when its hotter it will need to be set higher . to be safe the freezer needs to be -18 or below and the fridge between 2 and 5 degrees
dave
Ok I’ll get on with that.
In general, considering this problem I’m having, what setting/number should I have on this knobs? On the lower or higher side? Or just leave in the middle? Thanks
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