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Re: ‘A’ rated T/D?
Ah, the old bit EU labelling system, one of my pet hates.
In some way you are correct Andy, a machine has to perform a cottons 60 withing certain parameters to achieve the “A” status. There’s a load more on it HERE which I wrote a while back. Since I wrote that I’ve learned a lot more about it all and I can’t say that it’s changed my opinion of the labels, other then to make it still worse.
In effect it is my belief that they have achieved more harm than good, which wasn’t the intention or spirit of the system. I would agree that there had to be some encouragement for manufacturers to make their appliances more eco-friendly but I do not see the current system employed doing that.
It may come as a surprise but you cannot buy a machine now, to my knowledge, which falls below a “C” rating and I read recently that 90{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of washing machines sold in the UK are “A” rated these days, so nothing special. The rating has become commonplace in that sector.
Alledgedly there is an agreement in place where the manufacturers will not sell an appliance below a “C”.
Fine so far, but bear with me…
The problem is, as we’ve all seen, that the wash performance suffers as, from what I can dig up, the average water use prior to the introduction of the labelling system was 131 litres per wash. To achieve an “A” rating you must be >=12 litres per kilo of wash load, hence (I’m told) the manufacturers bring in professional packers/folders to get as much in the drum as possible to rate the load capacity. Of course in the real world this is totally unattainable and research by Which concludes that the actual average wash load size in the UK is a mere 2Kg!
I could go on for hours about this and I’ve done a lot of research on it, but suffice to say that my conclusion thus far is that the EU labelling system, irrespective of the sector that it is applied to within the appliance industry, is fundementally flawed and gives misleading information to consumers at best.
K.
Re: ‘A’ rated T/D?
Unfortunately, whenever you offer rewards for achieving things, or targets, people come up with all sorts of enterprising ways of achieving them.
Government targets on hospital waiting lists are a prime example, as are crime stats and ambulance call out times. All perverted by tricks and statistics so that the original good-intentioned aims are adversely affected.
Re: ‘A’ rated T/D?
andy_art_trigg wrote:If the dryer is really on for 8 hours
At this moment in time we are only speculating about the ‘8 hour thing’?
Far better it would be if we actually knew how that A rated drying process worked to judge and pass comment. Does anybody know the answer?
The text I originally quoted was from Crosslee’s own website Martin, it is a fact that to get the A rated program takes 8 hours. It is not speculation at all.
K.
Re: ‘A’ rated T/D?
It’s a new product then?
http://electricalretailing.sitekit.net/default.aspx.locid-05nnew052.htm
No, that’s just a re-branding exercise as I understand it with the addition of branded products coming onlineto bolster the range. From what I can gather many are imported from the Far East (guess where ;)) so they are not being produced in the UK.
The dryer that we are talking about, the CL847, has been about for quite some time now. I suspect it will get an update though.
To clarify, from Crosslee
By selecting the ‘Low Energy’ button, users are able to make use of the A Class programme. This runs for approximately 8 hours and can be used any time of the day or night – what ever suits the user.
By de-selecting the ‘Low Energy’ button, users are able to make use of the faster programme, which is C Energy Efficiency Rated. This runs for approximately 120 minutes and can be used when time is of the essence.
So basically it’s a bog standard vented dryer with a low energy program that takes 8 hours to complete. And I still totally fail to see the point of it, other than Crosslee being the first to market with an “A” rated dryer.
From memory I think that the CL847 was launched late 2004 or early 2005 with the specs available on the Crosslee website.
K.
kwatt wrote:
The dryer that we are talking about, the CL847, has been about for quite some time now. I suspect it will get an update though.Indeed Ken, update information arrived Monday. New model will be 84AW and the silver version 84AS. I am informed that the spec will be the same, but have yet to see it in black and white 😉
Don
Re: ‘A’ rated T/D?
Which? don’t reckon much to this A rated dryer.
However, it takes forever..
So, unless you’re prepared to wait seven hours for your washing to dry, it’s not the most environmentally friendly option, whatever it says on the label.
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It would also be interesting to find out the effect on the laundry itself. We already know that washing machines have various programes specifically to reduce the amount of agitation for certain fabrics.
In the UKW detergent training sessions we have several classic examples of fabric damage when items of laundry have been subjected to excessive agitation, even though they have been washed at the correct temperature and with the correct detergent. Eight hours of tumbeling does seem a tad excessive.
Perhaps Crosslee have come up with a magic solution to this problem also. I think Martin is right, lets ask them. 😉
Sean
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