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Been told i need to now do the CPA1 😥
even tho i dont have CEN1 or HTR1 on my Bpec certificate, only CCN1,CKR1 LAU1
And only repair and install gas cooker,hobs and the odd dryer!
has any one got a clear and simple answer whether i do or dont need CPA1?
Thanks Brian.Re: Cpa1 gas
I am currently renewing my ccn1 and ckr1, I took it before 1 April as thereafter it will be compulsory for ccn1, like it or not
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We had a flueless cooker today that had been condemned by the council for failing a gas analyser test on the oven after the customer complained of headaches (but not when the cooker was in use :rolls: ).
I checked with the manufacturer and Gas Safe tech to find out what the rules were for recommissioning after the burner had been changed as I’ve never had to flue analyse a cooker outside the classroom before and we don’t touch boilers. They said basically that it’s a grey area as the appliance was disconnected for suspected carbon monoxide and yet there is no requirement to flue test this cooker as in the words of Gas Safe the test results would more often than not be horrendous.
At least if they set out the rules it would eradicate any confusion.
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How can you flue test a flueless appliance, simply you cannot and there is no requirement for CPA1 unless you are working on flued appliances ie you hold CEN1 (boilers), HTR1 (space heaters), CENWAT (Water heaters).
Come on guys, work it out, this is becoming embarrassing.
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On April 1st 2012 it will become a requirement for gas operatives holding CEN1 and WAT1 (now CENWAT) to obtain accreditation in the use of combustion gas analysers (CPA1).
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lee8 wrote:How can you flue test a flueless appliance, simply you cannot and there is no requirement for CPA1 unless you are working on flued appliances ie you hold CEN1 (boilers), HTR1 (space heaters), CENWAT (Water heaters).
Come on guys, work it out, this is becoming embarrassing.
You can test a flueless cooker (the CO/CO2 ratio pass ratio is 0.008 for an oven 0.010 for a grill unless manufactures instruction state different) but I’ve never needed to as long as the flame picture looks fine.The only reason I questioned it was the report of possible Carbon Monoxide.
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Holel wrote:
You can test a flueless cooker (the CO/CO2 ratio pass ratio is 0.008 for an oven 0.010 for a grill unless manufactures instruction state different) but I’ve never needed to as long as the flame picture looks fine.
The only reason I questioned it was the report of possible Carbon Monoxide.
My comment was in relation to the requirements of CPA1.
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lee8 wrote:
Holel wrote:
You can test a flueless cooker (the CO/CO2 ratio pass ratio is 0.008 for an oven 0.010 for a grill unless manufactures instruction state different) but I’ve never needed to as long as the flame picture looks fine.
The only reason I questioned it was the report of possible Carbon Monoxide.
My comment was in relation to the requirements of CPA1.
🙂 No problem.
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Very confusing tho this subject 😕 I am still not sure lots of grey areas here? r600 let me know what gas safe say i also need to speak to them 😉
thanks BrianRe: Cpa1 gas
Its clearly written on the web site, there is no grey area and should not be causing any confusion.
You don’t hold the required competences required to be able to take the CPA1 course, you wont be accepted onto a course without providing a current HTR1, CEN1, WAT1 accreditation. :rotfl:
“Within the UK are the approximately 120,000 registered gas service engineers and some 45,000 use a flue gas analyser. Despite 75,000 gas service engineers holding competency in HTR1 (gas fires) and CEN1 (central heating boilers), they do not possess an assessed competence in the operation of flue gas analysers. It will shortly become a requirement for all gas service engineers to correctly operate a flue gas analyser. The introduction of the CPA1 Combustion Performance Analysis of Domestic Appliances is a gas safety course and assessment designed specifically for gas service engineers for compliance with the requirements of BS7967 Parts 2 to 4”.
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I understand i dont hold the relevant certificates according to the gas safe info! But then why did they say i needed it when i went to renew my yearly subscribtion? And mentioned in this post that if i work on gas dryers then i need it? :rolls:
thats where i start getting a headache 😕
watch this space lol 😉Cpa1 gas
Hi bryan
My reply was as a quess concerning your t/d qualifications as they are fanned and didn’t have time to look into their determination.
Bryan
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washermanuk wrote:I understand i dont hold the relevant certificates according to the gas safe info! But then why did they say i needed it when i went to renew my yearly subscribtion? And mentioned in this post that if i work on gas dryers then i need it? :rolls:
thats where i start getting a headache 😕
watch this space lol 😉Does your gas work relate to BS7967 Parts 2 to 4″.
You should know. 😉
May I suggest you read the link I provided, it clearly states the required certification CPA1 relates too.
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