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Okay, I’m fed up now.
Stop doing the DASA meeting thing over the phone, he says, she says and never the two bloody stories are correct.
FACT: I have always said that the meeting could go ahead, subject to a couple of provisos which everyone was (or seemed) more than happy with.
FACT: That hasn’t changed!
FACT: The meeting was to take place in Glasgow prior to the council meeting.
FACT: I can’t attend the council meeting as I’ve been kicked out for non-payment.
FACT: I can’t talk to anyone on the DASA Forums as my access has been revoked.
FACT: I can no longer be a member of the council.
FACT: There’s virtually no DASA traffic on UKW as they all seem either too busy or they’re in a huff over something again.
FACT: I can’t be arsed and don’t have the time to go chasing about doing DASA’s work, I’ve already done loads for DASA unpaid and, as a non-member, I sure as hell ain’t doing any more.
FACT: I’m not shouting about any of this in public, nor is anyone else.
Okay, lots of facts now…
We (UKW) did ask about becoming associate members which we were trying to do DASA a favour with actually, but never mind. Anyway, cut a long story short, DASA (i.e. some twat Huby, the treasurer :lol:) expects me to pay a full year’s subs for a half year. So like any sensible person I said, “bollocks to that”. 🙂
So now we wait until the renewal date rolls round to join.
However, in so far as I am aware, that means that without an official invitation to the meeting I/we cannot attend it. Fair enough. Kevin has emailed Jason but gotten no response as yet.
Now, as to the shit I hear about stuff on UKW, well if you don’t want stuff in the “public domain” then plug the leaks. Before anything goes on UKW from us we will get the same story from at least two verifiable sources, normally three. What does that tell you?
As for the like of Rudi, well I’ve got bugger all control over what others say or post and if they so choose to post stuff the so be it.
Hence that sort of stuff and the anonimity on UKW is off-limits for discussion. I will not change or capitulate on the privacy of the individual or their right to their opinion in a forum of peers or public, full stop.
In short, I’m quite happy to talk to Mark, Jason etc., there’s no problem there at all so I have not a fucking clue where all the confusion has set in but I suspect it’s down to voice communications being bolloxed up.
As to the “them and us” thing, it’s utter shite. Just total childish crap.
Now can we all just play nice for a while please?
K.
Re: DASA/UKW Meeting
To save a bit of time and a load of phone calls can we arrange a meeting for the Thursday night in Glasgow (i.e. the night before the Council meeting)
Between Mark, Ken, Jason, Kev, Phil, Dave, and I To clear the air and see if there is a way for us all to work together for the benifit of the trade
and all our members.I have suggested Phil as I think John has had to step back until his position re Dasa is a little more clear.
We all had an excellent relationship in the war room with a great deal of mutual trust, support and sharing of information which let’s face it we all found benifical.
As we are coming into your back yard Ken, could we ask you to arrange a suitable venue and post up some details here.
Sean
Re: DASA/UKW Meeting
sorry chaps…I’m there with Bridie and the kids and at meetings all day Thursday as it is. Therefore cross me out for the evening meeting with Dasa, not a chance. Besides I don’t think we can discuss serious issues over an evening meal.
Well said Ken, I for one concur, except you should withdraw the Jason “twat” remark, not cool, not you.
KevinRe: DASA/UKW Meeting
kwatt wrote:
So now we wait until the renewal date rolls round to join.
K.
Assume you are aware that unless you chip in some back pay to cover the “lost” 12 months or so, you have to start again with DASA. Meaning re-apply for membership and take the probation period into account. At least that is how I see it.
In the same vein, I’ve just received 2 copies of Business Pages for the South West, sort of yellow pages but red cover and goes in the bin tomorrow. Anyway, there is a section showing all logos for associations and bodies etc. Takes up two pages. Guess who’s missing? You got it DASA.
Dead Association Sadly Amiss.
As they have spat the dummy as it were, does those who no longer have an active interest in UKW yet who are allowed access to this room still have that very luxury? No need to name names, painfully obvious I think.
Have a good weekend.
Going to sit down with a glass of malt & unwind now.
Alex
Re: DASA/UKW Meeting
Are we looking at some sort of declaration of intent here Alex? This forum is for free expression albeit confidentially….. We need to give any interested parties a bit of time to respond if they wish.
Or we start another forum 🙄 …………..
Chris.
Re: DASA/UKW Meeting
There is a faction within DASA that probably fucking hate me, but cest la vie.
There’s no need for another forum IMO, what we have here is just fine.
Jason and Mark have been very busy, I appreciate that. But I would urge them not to forsake DASA or UKW, which I see happning. In the end it’s their call though.
As for the membership, it depends on when you join as there’s no pro-rata rates in place, a very glaring omission I should say.
If DASA don’t change then “dead” may well be an apt description, but I’ve said that before many a time.
Enough and, enough JD.
K.
I meant to say, it is my opinion that it is said “faction” (and we all can have a bloody good guess at who I’m speaking of) that are actually steering DASA to a degree. But in the end, for now, the shit falls to Mark to deal with as he’s chief bottle washer.
I don’t want a rift, I sure don’t want to be at loggerheads with DASA but, if it has to be then fine. But I would hope that we do it collectively although I fail to see the need for it.
I have said before and, I’ll say it again, DASA has a place in the grand scheme of things and a very valid purpose. But not now.
That really is enough, I’ll be pounced on by kids in 5 hours or so and I’ll have a bloody hangover. Damn Mr Jack Daniels!
K.
Ken . re your first post , What, where who ,eh ……….. where the fuck has all that come from. I ‘assumed’ things where coming along nicely.
I’ll make some phone calls.
Philip
Re: DASA/UKW Meeting
It appears to me that NESN could easliy have an insider within the W.R. if we are not careful. I’m not accusing anyone as I trust the integrity of all that is in here. But if you consider we get fed from somewhere by Rudi who seems to be in the know; then what is to stop anyone whose toes he may happen to tread on, doing the same back to NESN? Even unwittingly!
I feel it isn’t good politics to go out of our way upsetting DASA members who are party to the confidentiality of the W.R. If we cut off our links with some members, we may well sever the information stream as well. However, if one or two of them have access in here, and then start complaining about certain postings in the rumour mill, maybe we need to consider their value in this room. Especially if their input is very limited, if at all.
I do have concerns though about some things leaking out of here, and the above is just a observation, or maybe just a rambling, and I am aware it is a 2 way street.
Alex
Re: DASA/UKW Meeting
Phil, it’s just the organisation of it all, or lack thereof. Conflicting stories and supposition.
Please remember I am in no way saying its intentional or malicious at all, it’s just that stuff is being lost in translation I think. Which is why I’d rather organise this here in TWR as then we all know what’s going off and there’s no confusion. Doing stuff over the phone is fine but it can often lead to a certain confusion over what was actually said and it was partly the point of this forum.
Alex, I don’t think so. NESN are not as well informed as they might be and are still making mistakes that could cost them dearly, the TRIC thing was only one such political cock up. It looks bad and anyone with an axe to grind with NESN could easily use that against them in light of recent events, hence what I posted in public.
I got a call about the other day from someone who wished not to give me their name, one of at least two or three I’ve had regarding NESN, each one putting the boot in. It strikes me that it’s too convienent that is and sadly on each occasion the information was already out there anyway, but you get the point.
Apart from which, whilst I do hope that Jason and Mark enjoyed the evening, they did attend I am told as guests of NESN. NESN who have just shagged over a load of DASA members, DASA has said sweet fuck all about that and then the chairman and treasurer attend a paid for event (at huge cost) as guests.
How much good do think that will do for the image of DASA? On a political level it’s a fucking PR disaster! And they don’t even have to go about shouting it from the rooftops either, all that needs doing is spreading gossip amongst a few well placed people wihin the trade and the damage could be immense.
I am not having a go at either, nor at DASA. What I am saying is that, if you are in a high profile position within industry you have to watch what you do just as carefully as a politician does as mistakes can cost dearly and the effects linger for years. Just look at the legacy left by our Mr Hayter. However I am quite sure that neither Jason or Mark considered that implication and were merely looking at it from the point of view of their own businesses, sadly others will not look at it that way and, with the lack of communication of the event, it leaves the likes of Service Power loads of scope to manipulate the “spin” the way that they want, only serving to twist the knife deeper into NESN and/or DASA should they choose to do so.
In other words, it was a bad move on NESN’s part as well as for Jason and Mark. Hell, even Kevin and others have gotten flack over the holiday by CDSL as that too was seen by some as a sweetener and a jolly paid for by CDSL to buy loyalty. Now we, in here, know that that is not the case in either event, but the impression can be given that it is. As Kevin will tell you I will often remind people that “impression is everything, facts seldom matter in many ways”.
But in light of the TRIC thing comments were made before about Jason and Mark being “well in” with NESN again from various sources at Sibson so I assume that both are back working for NESN. Now you have this on top of that and, both are very high profile DASA to boot. Do the math.
But it’s not the only cock-up on the part of NESN, there’s plenty people well pissed about the £2 a call thing. That could drive them towards SP and you have some gobshites going about saying that people should be “in with them”, unsurprisingly it’s people that used to work for or with the various elements within SP. Meanwhile NESN seem to be burying their head in the sand and not doing much about it so far as I can see and, in fact, doing themselves more damage in the process.
As we have seen it’s very easy to have a go at NESN as they have obviously gotten serious financial issues and SP will try to capitalise on that fact and use it against them.
What we all forget at times is the stakes in all this. Not only the financial cost but if NESN were to fail then it would very possibly take quite a few agents with it, or at the very least cause a lot of hardship for a long time. It would also cause a mass surge to A.N. Other source of income and, right now, that looks to be either SP or CDSL as ISDAL and JTM are out the frame really. Or maybe even GBDAR, but you get the point, at times it’s better the devil you know.
So there you go, back to total honesty in TWR and not before time either and that’s my take on recent events.
K.
Re: DASA/UKW Meeting
THIS STATEMENT REGARDING MY ATTENDENCE OF THE TRIC AWARDS IS INCORRECT. IWAS THERE WITH ELECTROLUX BUT DID SPEAK TO NESN REGARDING THE REDUCED FEE BEING PAID TO THEIR AGENTS AS I DO NOT AGREE WITH POLICY.AND FOR WHAT ITS WORTH I AM NOT WORKING FOR NESN AT THIS TIME.BUT THIS IS NOT TO SAY I WOULD NOT BUT NOT AT 31.50 PER CALL.
Ta Mark,
That clears that up and why nothing was posted in public on it. Facts where not available.
Interestingly I had a call from Ms Madden, I’ll report later when I have time.
K.
Re: DASA/UKW Meeting
We have to be careful when breakin news items that we are not being used by the real arseholes of this trade i.e. the likes of trubshaw and ince
they may not come out with it themselves but you can be sure they’ll use others to spread their poison for them.No one agrees with workin for less money but if you are heavily committed to one main work provider and have engineers to find both work and wages for then what real choice do you have.
It may very well promt you to go lookin’ elsewhere to find an alternative source of work but what do you do in the interim, or if you are unable to find any other work.
It can be very easy to pontificate as to what others should do when we dont have their responsibilities.
Del
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