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With the introduction in the near future of the WTA it is my intent to basically evolve the AC into what it always pseudo was, the WTA Board or Council or Steering Committee or whatever we end up calling it. Which is a point, we should think about that and I do think it should be called The Board as in, The Board of Trustees.
Essentially a board entrusted to look after and forward the WTA interests, agenda etc.
Those positions, should it ever become viable, should be paid ones IMO, even if it is an annual retainer or whatever. Just as we had planned initially with the AC, sadly we never had the budget to fund it. Hell, even if it’s a free meal or whatever, it’s better than always being on the scrounge, asking people to do stuff for nothing.
I say this because I have some ideas on generating additional income to the TA which I do not wish to discuss in open forums for now as, I’m sure, the ideas will be stolen as usual. Needless to say, this involves monetisation to an extent but at the end of the day, if the TA has it’s own additional funding from outside the membership it can accomplish much more and offer far better value to the members. And, this can be done within the structure of a TA quite happily although some of the dinosaurs won’t like it at first I’m sure.
But in the end, it’s the results that matter I guess.
K.
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Spot of renumeration would be nice – one day.
You planning on running the proposed constitution through here before the meeting, a la Repairs@ Charter? We’ve only got a month left if you want some input on it.
Chris.
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I actually think that the constitution is pretty much a done deal, all it needs is a little tidying up.
My larger concern is the board members thing TBH as, in the end, you know that there’s a few of us that will end up writing the damn stuff anyway.
I have to admit though, I’m struggling to have the heart to offer Martin a vote ATM! 😆
And yes, it would be nice to pay out a bit.
K.
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You could always return his subs and invite him to indulge in sex and travel……
Ho hum, it has to be a broad church though.
Would three board members be enough? I suspect not after the full panolpy of duties and projects becomes clear.
Chris.
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Yes, broad church…
Or should that be “nutter”? 😆
Just gets to you at times when someone just can’t see what some of the stuff is about and just rides roughshod over logical debate. Ho hum.
No, three isn’t enough I don’t think, I think it should be five. Just my opinion to allow things to be done.
K.
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Just a passing thought if this forum is to become “active” again – you have cancelled KH’s access here, haven’t you Ken?
As for five to be the commitee, can I suggest we round up two more now and present it as more of a fait accomplis to be approved. I don’t honestly think that I could work with Martin.
Lawrence, Washdoctor, CliveJameson, Aqualectric, Bryan and Bryan(R600A) all seem to be enthusiastic. Would Jackal be interested? Pretty sharp cookie to my mind.
Chris.
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I’ve cancelled KH, period.
I would agree, the AC has basically more or less served that that very well IMO and I have to say I’m loath to change what works and re-invent the wheel without just cause to do so. The thing is, are there any that don’t want to continue and perhaps get a little more involved that has been the case thus far?
Personally I have no issue with Sean being on here as the bugger gives me grief enough at every turn but some may think that a UKW director involved is a, well, something. Whatever, you know what some of the detractors are like. :rolls:
I also agree, I don’t think that Martin is suited to the task. Not for any personal reason as I don’t do that, I just don’t think that Martin has the, how can I put it, scope, vision or grasp of the industry beyond his own little domain. I actually don’t mean that in any sort of derogatory manner at all, it’s merely an observation based on evidence. I had hoped he’d prove that wrong but, thus far, he hasn’t.
Jackal, an excellent choice IMO. Balanced, educated and extremely shrewd as well as knowledgeable, I can’t argue with that one at all.
Lawrence, another good choice with much merit.
Washdoctor, extremely passionate and driven, also a good choice.
Clive, again I can’t fault the choice.
Steve, Aqualectric, same.
Bryan, as in my fellow countryman, the only thing I’d say is that he is very anti-public having a go. However, probably like many, he doesn’t understand the internet game most likely. That again is not meant in any derogatory way.
R600, aka Del Boy. 😉
Bryan is a great guy and a true character but whether he’s suited to this or not I’m not sure. His contacts and industry knowledge are good, no doubt, but suited to the task I’m really not sure.
That’s of course just my opinion.
I would hope that JM11 would stay onboard and I don’t have to blow smoke up his big fat ass for him to know that. 😉
Chris, you just have to stay. 😉
Alex I wish would consider it, but I know he won’t and I won’t force the issue. I do not however promise not to revisit it at a later date.
All in all I think that from the shortlist that we have a kick ass bunch without trying very hard that can drive a trade association forward. However I would like to point out that, if I am allowed, I do not intend to be driving it forward in that old boys nicey, nicey way.
No, IMO we need to be pro-active, not re-active.
K.
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I missed this one over the weekend.
At this stage I presume this is a closed forum?
I’m happy to remain part of the A.C. If however, my lack of involvent in the WTA excludes me, than I shall take the hint. Unlike Martin who seems unable to grasp the whole ethos of this. He means well, but doesn’t have a clue. His past is coming back to haunt him.
Couple of small points, Jackal seems to be a good one to be part of this considering his slant on things, and experience. I do feel though that he will need to “Come Out” and change to his real name. A bit like the Baldy Thief, (Bollical Bill the Sailor) changing from Ted.
I have reservations regards one name that has been suggested, related to me being dropped in the do-do with ISDA. He shares the same christian name as the “Groover From Vancouver”. One of a pair, and not Scottish. If he becomes part of the A.C. can you let me know, I shall have to address this post.
Now, the reasons I have not shown too much enthusiasm.
I aint got the time, I’m involved with something on Service Force, as well as Beko. That keeps me busy.
I’m still a member of DASA but they have lost the plot, I shan’t be renewing. If however I get vocal with them, and then become an active member of WTA, it could look like you guys are pulling the rug out from under their feet. It might even look like I was recruited, and we need to keep the damage limitation at a minimum. Despite the fact they damn well deserve it. I can, and have already done a lot of damage from within.
I would like to keep under the radar regards WTA, and will leave it to you guys if I remain in the A.C.
Alex
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Yes Alex, this forum is closed to only AC members, myself and Dave.
I don’t think that Jackal will have an issue with that.
K.
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I was talking to Jackal only last night and he intimated to me that whilst he intends to back the WTA to the hilt, It is his wish to remain low profile.
If you can get him to change his mind no one would be more pleased than myself but I dont think you will.
Hope I’m wrong !
Sean
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I don’t want this to drift off subject. However, it had been sussed who Jackal is from his location, and someone innocently answered one of his posts, “Thanks for your help Carl”
Given the past recent events with an existing TA, Who shall remain nameless, it may look like Jackal is out for revenge to some people. I’m sure that is not the case, but give them an inch etc….
The fix is either, bo££ocks to it, go for the jugular and clear the air, or keep it low profile. He’s the best one to decide that.
I can’t get to Sibson, and even if I could I imagine the rooms are now booked. You have my support, and I will come into the TA slowly as a member, not a pioneer. I get fed up with leading from the front sometimes.
Alex
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Now I’ve had a couple of glasses of vodka…
In this forum we have, P45, Alex, JM11 and Del as well as Dave and I. It’s a very exclusive little group. And, so, I reckon this thread should be deleted before it is opened up as it is a private conversation IMO.
Carl, no issues with him not wanting to be in the spotlight, much as I expected that answer from you Alex.
But here’s the way I see things and, it’s pretty simplistic…
DASA is dead.
You have to do one thing to stay at the top of any game, evolve. Just as the title of this thread suggests we have to also evolve. There’s no use moaning about it, or whining about how it was in the good old days, the fact is we have to deal with the here and now, not 5 years ago and most certainly not 20 years ago. The message has to change, the way you do it has to change or, like the Dodo or the Dinosaur, you become extinct.
It has to stay fresh.
Now there’s two types of people that will get involved as, the one’s that don’t give a rat’s ass will happily get splinters from sitting on the fence, those that want change and will drive it forward and those that want to retain the status quo.
I fall into the former of the two groups. I want change, now.
John once said to me something along the lines of, “if you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got”.
How true.
So, with the TA we have to be different and we have to think differently. Sitting back having coffee of an afternoon discussing the weather with a few underdogs from the WP’s and manufacturers just doesn’t cut it anymore I’m afraid.
Building up a stash of money that is doing sweet f**k all to help anyone is utterly, utterly pointless.
The point is to create an organisation that reacts and responds to the needs of the indie repairer, not sits about debating whether something should or shouldn’t be done. Meanwhile it should be defending the repairers with every bl00dy fibre of its being against any threat, be that from government, retailers, manufacturers or whoever.
That is the point of a TA. Not to be a talking shop for people who don’t give a f**k about anything past their own concerns.
Now, you can agree or disagree with the stance but, at the end of the day, it is largely a case of all for one and one for all. We don’t need unionisation, I abhor the very notion as it is inevitably a fruitless waste of time in a political landscape, but we still have to be able, somehow, to stand up and say, “Oi you, you’re not on with that cr4p”.
What DASA or indeed anyone else thinks for that matter, well b0llocks to them. Let them deal with it. I suspect in the case of DASA it will be with indifference and disdain as usual until it’s too late.
K.
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Interesting points, which leave us with:
Lawrence, Washdoctor, CliveJameson, Aqualectric and Bryan.And others who have not yet been named…….
I’ve met Lawrence, but none of the others. They all come across as sensible, balanced people on the forums.
If we accept that the core of the WTA will come out of this forum, we all need to input thoughts about the potential additional people to be involved fairly soon, if we wish to present a “turn key” commitee at Sibson. We also need to drag those people in here and do some talking!
Opinons required, then decisions.
Chris.
My choice would be, as is but add Lawrence and Clive.
No other reason that I know both and both are balanced and come without “baggage” per say. Both can also communicate well if they wish and take a little time over it.
I’d rather add Alex or Carl, but…
JM, where you at on this? Personally I’d rather you stay in, it allows a certain balance even if you don’t input too much. Plus, it keeps Martin out which is reason enough to sell your soul to Satan!
However, if needs must, there’s more than one way to skin a fish.
K.
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