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Re: Experience Vs Training.
i think in a case of fatality etc it would be what a jury would think .
does 20 days training make someone competent – i wouldnt like to take the chance on these stats
you could argue the case that the engineer has 10years plus in engineering if thats the case ie was a car mech etc i think anyone would be able to accept this type of person would be competent .
on the other hand a 17-18 year old wet behind the ears no social or mechanical experience or knowledge i think you would be on thin ice .
Re: Experience Vs Training.
Martin wrote:
lee8 wrote:
Off course not Lee as well you know. Your 20 days is ample for a basic grounding that most manufacturers (including your outfit) would initiate. During that time a persons aptitude would be easily assessed before he or she were allowed out in the field. After which they are accompanied by a senior engineer until such time as they can be let out on their own. All the while monitored on a call by call basis. That’s how it works, I know it ,you know it.
Yes we both know it, but currently someone maybe employing peeps with no previous experience, no qualifications & less then 10 days classroom training and no further training and no accompaniment whatsoever.
To respond to your previous post, I’m asking not about attitude or lack of work ethic, but people unable to work because they have no idea what there doing.That is my point.
Re: Experience Vs Training.
lee8 wrote:I’m asking not about attitude or lack of work ethic, but people unable to work because they have no idea what there doing.That is my point.
I get your point Lee and there are loads out there that simply haven’t a clue. Many fresh for a 3 week intensive training course and armed only with a volt stick and a few screwdrivers. First job they encounter and it’s nothing they’ve seen in the training school and no clue as to where to start.
Over the years here on UKW I’ve helped hundreds get a grip toward the most elimentary of problems. I’ve even had to teach dozens how to use a Megger by publishing my own guide on its purpose and use. Hundreds of guys out there still don’t own or use one. They assume a volt stick confirms there’s power to the device because they’ve seen the red LED on the end glow. Hundreds of guys post asking what could possibly be wrong with the machine BEFORE they even go to the call…. “Mrs Bloggs says her washer light is blinking, can you tell me what is wrong before I go out there?” posts like these are a daily occurance here on UKW.
I was lucky, came into the trade when training and experience was a slow and well supervised process. I got my grounding by being employed with two major companies and 5 years later went self-employed. So I got 5 years training and experience before venturing alone. 20 days training today guys find themselves forced into having to retrain and start out a new career fixing white goods. More fool they for even venturing into this business but at least their saving grace is there’s someone like me able to answer their ‘technical’ problems here on UKW. My mission continues…… Lol!
But yes, I get your point Lee. 😀
Re: Experience Vs Training.
Always remember my first day out on my own, did the training with a senior engineer and spent weeks at the training school but on my first job I was like a rabbit caught in the headlights, didn’t have a clue where to start
However a great backup system helped and after 8 years with HOTPOINT I decided to start on my own.
I agree with Martin see people don’t know how to use meggers let alone own one. First thing in every call is to test for safety and again once it’s been repairedRe: Experience Vs Training.
A couple of days ago & purely by coincidence looking for my next adventure, must be gypsy blood, I searched for jobs in Canada as an appliance technician.
The Canadians have a system where all tradesmen study and train in their chosen profession and receive Inter provincial Standard Endorsement (Red Seal) qualification. Whilst not compulsory most employers want it and for outsiders coming to the country it is a good starting point as it allows experienced people to sit the exam. There is no regulatory body such as Gas Safe and no registration fees.
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