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Hotpoint WM Series Armatures OBSOLETE!
Penguin45 wrote:161747 armature will run in place of a 1603071 by swapping the tacho magnet over; but, you can’t do it the other way round. Anyone know about this?
This is perfectly true. 2 weeks ago I went to a 9536 with a 1614128 Motor fitted. Partfinder told me the replacement for that model was a 1604810 FHP Motor, as I had neither in stock I fitted a 161747 Armature and switched the Tacho Magnet over, job done!
Martin
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When the 410 controls came out some while ago I researched the differing motors and using tech info from a Hotpoint engineer discovered the the resistance for the new armatures was slightly differrent to that of the recommended motors, along with the tacho as mentioned here. I therefore decided they could not be used as replacements. Having said all that my engineers started fitting them regardless and without any known problem arising.
Hi E,
That’s about what I was told. It doesn’t work the other way round though (apparently).Penguin.
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Rather than clog up the “Bulk Buy” thread with this, I’ll post it here as it is more specific.
SEME have plenty of 1603071 armatures in stock. Please check the price out as I know they have different levels for different accounts, my normal trade price is showing as £19.63 for a guide.
I have though negotiated a rate of £18.25 in 25’s with the white goods spares manager there. I have told him about UKW and this thread, and the reason they have so many is they knew a while back about the obsolete problem and bought hundereds.
For those that don’t have an account with SEME, I can order some on behalf of any UKW trade member, I will for tax reasons have to show a small mark up though and obviously pass on any carriage costs.
If you want some, please email or PM me.
Dave.
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Apparently Masterpart got wind of the obsoletion a few months ago and bought a lot of the stock. Ive just had 161498b, 161474b and 1603070 armatures delivered @£15.99, £16.99 and £19.99.
Hope this is some help!!1
TonyRe: Hotpoint WM Series Armatures OBSOLETE!
Nearly all gone !! (1603071)
I just ordered another 25 and SEME are running out, Merloni have none at all, nor have Connect or Washvac. Although I believe Masterpart and Maddocks did have some back up stock at some point.
FYI.
Dave.
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The only armatures left in our warehouse are the 161498B’s.
There are still a few of the others knocking around in distributors warehouses.
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brian wrote:The only armatures left in our warehouse are the 161498B’s.
Not for long I doubt the way they are being pushed out via special offer emails and faxes 😉
Ta for the info Brian.
Has anyone tried swapping a 161498 for a 1603070/1 and see what happens, is it the usual of uncontrolled motor action ?
Dave.
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I have found since running out of stock of the 1603071 Armatures, that fitting the Qualtex ARM20 Armature and swapping the small tacho magnet over, does the job 😉 The Hotpoint genuine equivalent 161498 is still produced by them and readily available.
But what I haven’t yet established is whether the Qualtex one will actually fit the entire WM speed range as they claim (i.e 800/1000 and 1200). Hotpoint always had 2 seperate armatures 161498 covering 800 & 1200 and the 161747 just for the 1000rpm. So far I have only fitted the ARM20 to a 1200 machine (WM64P) with no problems 🙂
Martin
If you were the manufacturer would you not want a bunch of people stocking two rather than one? The more stock you have on the shelf the more money the manufacturer has in his bank.
I think it’s a Whirlpool WM timer that there are 6 or so variants of, the only difference is the software loaded into them yet Whirlpool (or whoever) refuse to allow even their own agents to reprogram them. So they have to carry all of them as stock where three of one would do if they could just program the timer. At first it seems insane, until you think on it from a business point of view and then it makes sense. 😉
Someone from Zanussi once told me that all the date code/part number revisions and changes were there primarily to hinder the pattern spares market and sell more of their own stock to agents and other repairers.
Of course they’re not all like that some of the manufacturers are very good on spares.
K.
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Interesting reading regarding the armatures. 161498b will replace all armatures provided that you change the tacho where required.
We still have a large supply of these in stock at http://www.homespare.com
I must say that I have to take issue with Ken regarding ‘dodgy’ pattern parts.
Something to consider.
All pattern parts that we supply come with a 12 month guarantee, and considering that we have been in business for over 42 years, we can’t have sold that many.The reason that we are all in business in the first place is that the original equipment manufacturers products have gone wrong because of ‘dodgy’ components.
First time poster.
John Farnworth
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Hi John,
Welcome to UKW.
I have no issue with pattern spares for the most part, many of them are from the OEM manufacturer via a different route. I should know that pretty well as I used to wholesale them, including spares from Homespares. However, you have to concede that some of the spares that come in are very poor, Coprecci pumps with no TOC’s spring to mind along with some very “dodgy” Hotpoint carbons in holders that had a nasty tendency to melt or even go on fire, door seals that where so thin you could almost spit through them, things like that do the pattern spares business no favours at all. In fact it really doesn’t do any of us any favours as it tarnishes the entire industry IMO.
As it happens, when selling spares, I tended to find that the people that were not the most reputable of traders where the ones that didn’t give a stuff about the quality of spares they used, they cared only that they were as cheap as possible. An audience I didn’t cater for as I like to sleep at night.
All spares may well come with a warranty, as is the legal requirement, returning them however is often not an easy task at all and more labour intensive and therefore more costly than the cost of the part, often I and I’m sure others, feel that that is a deliberate tactic. I am not in any way referencing to your company here, manufacturers are the single biggest guilty party for refusing to accept returns or failures.
As for “dodgy” OEM stuff, well there’s many a conspiricy theory that’s been mooted on that subject. 😉
K.
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John,
Your comments are very welcome indeed, in fact they have prompted me to discover it appears that the 161498 Armature is no longer produced and stocks have been exhaused since Brians post (Jun 23rd) at Hotpoint. Homespares then have still plenty of stock at least 🙂 The ‘pattern’ armature (ARM20) produced by Qualtex appears to be the only substitute and from my experience at least is a worthy substitute 😉
The argument over the ‘quality’ of pattern spares is guaranteed to prompt a heated debate from all quarters, and it certainly has been discussed at length within many UKW pages. “Dodgy Dealers” and “Rogue Repairers” are always cited as the main protagonists and will continue to be so ad infinitum 🙁
You may recall a short while ago I pointed out the extortionate price of Hotpoints 1603030 Hinge Bearing Kit at £2.50 + VAT. Qualtex produce a pattern equivalent (D/R43) at a much more realistic price of 56p + VAT* and I can assure you that quality is not compromised. In fact, quite the contrary as it is made from a more flexible polyurathene composite material that is easier to fit and less likely to ‘pinch’ and break the hinge nipple off.
Fitting Hotpoints genuine 1600474 Laminated Brushes is no guarantee that they won’t melt or burn out prematurely either. In recent months I have noticed they are produced out of varying types of plastic material :con: . Some are made in a distinct ‘grey’ colour and others are a kind of brown coloured plastic 😯 I am not sure as yet of their ‘flammability factor’ but I am sure they will set a few smoke alarms off somewhere soon enough 🙁
Martin
* and in case it occured to some readers that I may reselling these at Hotpoints ludicrous ‘RRP’, you will be dissappointed to learn I make a modest 50{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} mark-up on the quality pattern spares I supply and fit, with a full 12 months warranty. The Local Trading Standards Office did ask for this assurance incidentally as part of my being one of their registered approved traders.
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We still have good stocks of all the Genuine armatures:
1603071
161498B
161747B
Richard
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TECHBOIS wrote:We still have good stocks of all the Genuine armatures:
That’s good news for many 😀 but sad for little old me 😥
Because as an account holder with your company, I cannot order through your website 🙁 (or rather that after I log in and stick goodies in ‘my basket’ it then cannot ‘process my order’ so I gave up trying). Your IT guy reckons your system doesn’t like my Windows XP/ Broadband, bells and whistles system for some strange reason….hey ho!
Martin
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