Integrated dishwasher + placement help

[wackywoo105]

I am looking to fit a dishwasher into a kitchen that doesn’t have space for one. To create space a cabinet will have to be removed and I think the freezer will need moving for it to go directly under the sink (unless it could go to the left of the cooker hob/pan drawers?). I am also worried if placed near the sink the door will catch on the cupboard and/or oven. I would also need to move the double cupboard over to the left as there is a radiator that would block the freezer from opening if placed to the far left.

Can anyone give me their opinion on the best placement for an integrated dishwasher?

I was also looking at these 2 models:
http://www.bosch-home.co.uk/products/di … M01GB.html

http://www.bosch-home.co.uk/products/di … M00GB.html

Am I right in thinking the second one is a tall tub? I didn’t know these existed until reading about them today.

If it gives increased capacity I would prefer a tall tub but I read they won’t fit if there is kickboard. Is this true?

[melec]

Re: Integrated dishwasher + placement help

Hi !
Could put a 60 cm unit to the left of Hob
Water services can pass underneatth the drawers from the sink as could a power supply from most convenient 240v point
A 45 cm unit could go under sink instead of Freezer fitting a Panel in the corner ?
If you are talking tall tub though then you probably would not be interested in a slimline as well but just an option !!!
You will still be able to open the Freezer suffiiently it would seem from the picture even with Rad on the wall??
Not an issue to install a tall tub with your kickboard though it may have to be modified to allow door to open fully
This is a challenging installation to Fill in the spaces left so you need some good ideas e.g wine/bottle shelves or decorative panels

[Martin]

Re: Integrated dishwasher + placement help

My first tip would be not to buy a dishwasher as they are less than a reliable investment.

But if you insist, instal it where the freezer is now. Move the double cupboard to the corner by the rad and fit the freezer In the new space created in the space where the double cupboard was.

[wackywoo105]

Re: Integrated dishwasher + placement help

Thanks for the replies so far.

With regards to not buying one this has been a common theme amongst a few people I have discussed this with.

We moved to this new place in January and our previous home had one. I do miss it and even given the shortcomings think I would like another. I don’t know where the kitchen is from but other than a lack of dishwasher it is fine. I don’t know how easy it would be to match stuff up if I started creating wine shelves etc. I was also hoping to use the door from the removed cupboard on the dishwasher. There is space in a utility area for a freestanding one but if possible I would rather integrate into the kitchen properly.

I approached a few local firms who weren’t interested so finally got hold of a joiner. I just wanted to do some due diligence before I go ahead, as he seemed a bit unsure about a few things when he came to have a look. He wanted to supply a dishwasher but I said I would get my own. I don’t want to buy one only to find it’s a huge job to get it to fit and possibly make a mess of the kitchen in the process.

Of the 2 I have listed would the taller one fit taller objects? There seems to be no mention of the internal capacity when examining the specs. Is there any shortcoming to getting the tall tub one over the normal size? The taller ones don’t seem to be as common and I was unsure if there is a reason for this?

I’m not sure the freezer could go in the left corner as if the door doesn’t open nearly flat the trays catch on the inside of the door. It’s certainly very close.

Thanks again for your help.

[Martin]

Re: Integrated dishwasher + placement help

Personally I’ve never heard of the expression ‘tall tub’ when it comes to integrated dishwashers. In essence they are exactly the same as conventional free standing dishwashers but with the additional ability to having decor door panels fitted and slotted behind a kitchen plinth panel.

So with an existing kitchen the door panels can be converted into decor door panels. The only problem I see in your instance is that the existing handles are vertical and moving them would leave holes in the panel.

I would advise going with your kitchen fitter and fitting what he is prepaired to go with rather than taking the DIY route.

[wackywoo105]

Re: Integrated dishwasher + placement help

Sorry I think “tall tub” is an American term I found when googling. The ones I’ve seen are referred to as XXL. This is new to me as I didn’t know these variations existed. I’m guessing they are taller and so will fit larger items in. This was occasionally a problem with my previous dishwasher. I don’t know this for a fact though as I can’t find any internal dimensions.

From measuring my cabinets I think both will fit. I’m just not sure if the XXL ones have any deficiencies compared to the normal sized machines, and if there is any reason there appear to be less available, given they both would fit into a standard kitchen?

[Martin]

Re: Integrated dishwasher + placement help

“Tall tub” and “XXL” are not UK terms. With dishwashers on ours shores its with 45cms wide or 69cms wide – that’s it in a nutshell.

[wackywoo105]

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If you look at the links to the 2 above one is referred to as XXL (or it maybe XL). It is no wider than the other model but from the tech spec sheet appares to fit into taller cabinet spaces. There is some vertical overlap between the vertical space the 2 models will go into. I have found some Miele XXL machines too but not looked into them in detail as they are a bit out of my price range.

quote

“The ActiveWater 60 in XXL with 6.5 litres and A++: Guarantees you 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} performance with minimal water consumption of just 6.5 litres.”

[Martin]

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I have no clue as to what you refer. But I refer you to my previous post, that is it, either one size (actual width required to fit in) or the other, that’s it!

[wackywoo105]

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The only difference I can see is the height.

Here is a Miele 60cm wide dishwasher that is XXL

http://www.miele.co.uk/domestic/dishwas … Vi_XXL_K2O

I should have looked sooner but the site has a bit more info “XXL dishwasher – large capacity dishwasher with a height of 85 cm, giving you even more room in the upper basket for large crockery or long-stemmed wine glasses.”

I guess that kind of answers my question. I wish the Bosch site had said that. Now I’m just wondering if there are any drawbacks over a normal sized one?

[don]

Re: Integrated dishwasher + placement help

The SBV69M00GB as the original poster states is an XXL appliance, the attached is lifted from the Bosch site.
is is produced to match with the extra tall cabinets.

Yes it will fit under a standard height worktop but the door lines won’t match up. The OP would need to source a new door panel.

Don

[Martin]

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don wrote:Yes it will fit under a standard height worktop but the door lines won’t match up. The OP would need to source a new door panel.

Ah yes I’m with you now Don. The larger (XXL) model will not fit in the OP’s existing kitchen in order for the overall profile to be retained.

[wackywoo105]

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Just to confirm it won’t fit?

The doors are around 715mm x 595mm.
The kickboard top height is around 145mm to 160mm from the floor.
the overall height to the underside of the worktop is around 872 to 880.

So what you are saying is the XXL one will fit but the door won’t line up properly with the adjacent units? I’m guessing the door will attach ok from the above diagrams and would have thought it could just be mounted to be level with the others no matter which machine is in place.

I will be getting the fitter in but want to make sure I don’t order a machine that can’t be fitted easily.

[Martin]

Re: Integrated dishwasher + placement help

The existing door won’t fit on an XXL machine but yes go with getting the fitters in to advise.

[wackywoo105]

Re: Integrated dishwasher + placement help

Thanks for your help so far, I appreciate it.

I am getting a joiner in as all the kitchen fitters I approached were not interested. I need to buy the appliance and then arrange for him to come round. I will be spending around £500 on the machine so don’t want to get it wrong.

Please don’t take this the wrong way but I can’t help but be a bit concerned that a few post ago you said XXL didn’t exist, and now you are saying the door definitely won’t fit an XXL machine.

The door is 715mm in height. The diagrams above seem show doors in the range of 705-775 for the XXL and 655-725 for the normal sized machine will fit, unless I am interpreting them wrong.

Please can you or someone elaborate why my current door won’t fit (or will fit but not line up?) and what the issue will be?

[Author]

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