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Re: Live testing
Specialist01269 wrote: the guy I had spoken to is not the only 1 i’ve come across that’s of the opinion that live testing of appliances is not only illegal but also unescessary.
Oh, piffle! Total tosh! Illegal my a£se!
I don’t stand in someones kitchen looking at a machine that doesn’t work theorising as to what could possibly be wrong? If I need to know if there’s 240 to the mains filter, then I’ll stick a mains tester across the terminals and not fuff about seeing if there’s continuity between the mains lead!
In conclusion, your “guy” had best get a desk job as he’s no electrician that’s for certain. 😈
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I’ll stick a mains tester across the terminals and not fuff about seeing if there’s continuity between the mains lead!
Exactly as a contunity test proves only one thing !
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[ If I need to know if there’s 240 to the mains filter, then I’ll stick a mains tester across the terminals and not fuff about seeing if there’s continuity between the mains lead!
Mains tester: Hope you don’t mean a Neon screwdriver? Naughty Naughty.In conclusion, your “guy” had best get a desk job as he’s no electrician that’s for certain. 😈
Actually no he’s not an Electrician, he’s an “Appliance engineer” for want of a better description who apparently did his trade with a large company. Don’t know whether that’s true or not, but this guy and at least 2 others that worked for the same firm are of the same opinion & test in the same way.
Re: Live testing
You need a large yellow digital multimeter for live testing
for example…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE07yyp2QiQ
I think most of us do live testing at some point .As long as you know what you are doing then i don’t see an issue.Have worked on TV and pc monitors before i became an engineer so used to live voltages.
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neilsukwg wrote:You need a large yellow digital multimeter for live testing
for example…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE07yyp2QiQ
Nice 1 Neil I had’nt seen that, but think i’ll keep using a proper meter.Andy
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Service Force Technicians where/are not allowed to test live.
Came in after a Tech with many many yrs service killed himself working on a Microwave in a Service Force depot.
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I’m sorry to hear about that, Microwaves can be seriously bad news & allways treated with respect even when turned off.
Have you seen the CD Rom trainig courses in Microwave repair that are floating around ebay? how bloody irresponsible can you get.Re: Live testing
In some cases without doing a live test you could get inconclusive results, in some instances its the most conclusive way of ruling a component out as being at fault.
I think the key thing here is doing it safely, a simple thing to do is to carry a plug in rcd socket and plug the machine in to that and then use crocadile clips on the component being tested, its not dificult to be safe, the problem is there is a lot of inexperienced people fixing machines when they have no idea how to test and fault find and really shouldnt be let loose in someones house.Re: Live testing
On the subject of microwave repairs, HERE is a video posted by a ‘USA repairguy!’….enjoy. 😯
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Is that a scorched hole on his shirt.
Strewth !!
I fit a few a/c units and manufactures commisioning sheets require,pre start input voltage,running voltage,start up amps, running amps,without logging these amongst other info they don’t support the warranty in some cases.
Clampmeters are very useful on 3 phase.
No place/time for cheap meters though.Re: Live testing
spimps wrote:Is that a scorched hole on his shirt.
He looks pi$$8d and did you spot his feet? 😯
spimps wrote:No place/time for cheap meters though.
Hmmm :hmm: Not sure how ‘the trade’ is going to approach this contentious issue TBH. From what I read and observe here in the trade forums I fear many either don’t own a test meter or want to know where to buy one cheap. As for knowing how to use one? Well that too is all apparent, again from my perspective just browsing these trade forums.
Donkey’s year back all UK De Dietrich agents (me included) were forced, in no uncertain terms, to purchase and use Loop Testers. You had to sign up to a days training and purchase, from them at a special discounted price, £350 Robin units. Say no to the plan and wave goodbye to your agency. A bit of a no-brainer for most UK agencies at the time I suspect and hence why I own and use one to this day. (Costs me about £40 a year to get re-calibrated mind you but hey!)
But anyway, be that as it may, I digress……..So, in retrospect perhaps it’s better NOT to suggest live testing? After all if Service Force technicians/engineers aren’t allowed then perhaps that’s the best approach?
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Pity there wasn’t a little charge left in the capacitor,bare feet 😈
Like the way he suppressed the burps mid sentence.
Obviously takes the same pride in his appearance as he does in his work :rolls:Re: Live testing
Martin wrote:On the subject of microwave repairs, HERE is a video posted by a ‘USA repairguy!’….enjoy. 😯
Nice 1 Martin, think that should be a lesson in how not to do things. God the bloke is a complete mess, imagine him turning up to fix your appliances 😆 Now don’t forget next time you fix a Microwave you have to leave it 15 Minutes for the cap to discharge 🙁 Wonder what he does with an oven where the bleed resistor is o/c. Don’t know about you but I think i’ll carry on doing it the way I was taught, getting :zap: by a Mcirowave I can do without.
Did you look at the testing Microwave diodes bit? another 1 good for a laugh. 😆
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spimps wrote:Pity there wasn’t a little charge left in the capacitor,bare feet 😈
Like the way he suppressed the burps mid sentence.
Obviously takes the same pride in his appearance as he does in his work :rolls:I would have paid to see that idiot getting a belt from a Microwave, what a Moron.
I totallyagree with you mate, i’ve got no time for cheap test gear or leads. It’s just not worth the risk but I fear Martin is right, there may still be many in this trade who don’t even have the basic test equipment. I know for a fact that about 12 miles from me there’s 1 who relies on a Neon tester, a test lamp & a continuity tester for testing appliances.
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