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Re: LPG and costs
At the season of good will perhaps now might be a time to offer to do a joint venture ?
Re: LPG and costs
the rules are so tight as those that do gas work know, we are reasonsible for leaving a property with its gas applainces in safe order, so ya go to look at a cooker, theres a o/f bolier sat in the kitchen with it, then its, is there enough ventialtion, yada yada, as the corgi inspector stressed several times to me a few months back, remeber you are expected by law to leave a property with its applainces working in a safe manner, if something is left that you havent gone there for doesnt mean you arent liable if something should go horribly wrong. Hence why i think there is such a broad amount of stuff in the ccn1 that we dont think is ilrelevant to our trade but thats not what ccn1 is about, its the hse dictating the basic core of it, hence why you then have to add the appliances, tumble dryers etc on as that is the trade specific part more so.
corgi has no teeth, its a money making machine enforcing the hse rules.
btw not that im stanidng up for corgi at all coz im not, just the safety aspect of how dangerous gas really is hence what seems the ott of ccn1 but in fact isnt.
To answer your point egarding DASA Alex, it was agreed, oh about 18 months to two years or so ago that Chris Hayter would write to CORGI with regards to the situation. I doubt it was ever done, I’ve certainly never seen anything to do with it or even heard of contact being made.
I’m not DASA bashing at all here, merely stating the facts as I know them.
If DASA want to join the party then they’re only too welcome, I have no issue with it at all. But given that several senior members either do not have an account to even view UKW, or just don’t for whatever reason, I can’t see it happening as they are probably totally unaware of what’s going off.
K.
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Costs came back today from Cardonald College in Glasgow and it’s not good news IMO. I assume these areall ex VAT as that is not mentioned.
To do CCN1 core safety costs £350 for a four day course and another £350 on top for the two day assessment. So, six days of not earning but paying wages plus those costs and the £45 registration fee.
Then a further 1/2 day for CKR1 @£75 and a day’s assessment for £150. The laundry module cost the same just FYI.
So, just to do NG cookers, £910 in course fees and 7.5 days of lost earnings as well as the onslaught of grief and overtime as you lost the engineer for a week and a half.
LPG is CONGLPG, a one day course for £110 plus the £45 and another day’s assessment at £180. £335 just to LPG, plus two days lost earnings and all the grief that goes with that. Cardonald appear not to do the LPG cooker module but I’d expect similar prices and time off in all honesty.
But here’s the real killer…
Re-assessment on CCN1 costs £495 across four days and then £50 per element as well as the £45 registration fee and according to what I can see, re-assessment for LPG is the same as doing it in the first place!
So just to get re-assessed on NG cookers alone costs £590 and you lose a minimum of four days work!
I have to say that, for most people I’ve spoken with gas work would constitute less that 5{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of their workload and this would tally with the figures for sales and expected failure rates that I have. It really comes as no surprise that so many people either avoid it completely or are dropping gas cover as even to get my two engineers re-assessed will cost me about £4300, not including the hassles.
Working to absolute capacity on the figures I have that means a payback in about two years, realistically though I’d say closer to four years to get the investment back as the premiums on gas work aren’t that good. If I actually isolated the instances where the cover was actually needed, it probably doesn’t pay at all.
Like I said… it all comes down to volumes or the overall package.
K.
Re: LPG and costs
Followed this thread with great interest being accredited both on Natgas and LPG.
If it helps for KWATT in Glasgow area, Gas Certification Co Ltd in Blantyre, Glasgow undertake both Natgas & LPG ACS. 01698 828222 contact Elaine Louden or Francis Kelly. enquiries@gascert.co.uk.
One point I’d like to make is that even though accredited in LPG there doesn’t seem to be a great demand from Service providors or manufacturers in my general area (Carlisle to Stoke).
We’ve approached several manufacturers etc offering both our Natgas and LPG services on cookers (we only install, service and repair cooking appliances) but with little or no interest apart from the smallish Range cooker manufacturers.
Another point that I’d like to make is that, generally speaking, over 90{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of LPG installations that we come across have not been installed by LPG operatives – this can be seen by the total disregard for even the most basic parts of the BS covering LPG.
Anyway, thanks for the read, it was most interesting and I hope the info for Kwatt was of use.
Regards
Cookerfit 😀 [/u]
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Thanks, another one to price up. 😉
Here’s the thing though, as discussed with Kevin earlier today…
As we’re not in caravan land all the LPG requests came from places I really don’t want to be, there’s more sheep than people there, so they’re generally all one-off calls in the middle of nowhere. Very time consuming. Then add in the costs.
By it’s very nature LPG is installed where there isn’t enough people to justify running a mains pipe. If British Gas see fit not to go there, who am I to argue?
The only areas I’d get LPGwork in are South of Ayr where there’s a couple of caravan parks and down to Girvan and Balantrae, where I don’t wanna go as it’s an hour’s drive away. Then of course there’s the sheep and hill country.
Get the picture yet?
Nobody around here wants to do this sort of work, even the plumbers have been dropping LPG as it’s just not worth it, I have mentioned this in a past post somewhere. And if they can’t make it pay as a mainsty of thir business then how am I supposed to do it as a mere add-on and how much do you charge for the very low volume of difficult to access calls?
K.
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