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Here’s the story, been repairing wet and dry commercial cleaners and polishers for company who sell these products to commercial premises such as residential homes etc. Having been doing this for about two years this company suddenly pose the question do we PAT test these repairs ?
Well the answer was that no we do not, in fact in two years this is the first time that they have asked such a question. Turns out they are trying to clarify their legal position in this matter. Having done some homework looks like we would need to obtain a C&G 2377 part 1 & 2 plus a PAT tester to comply.
This company have also said that they have someone within their company who has a PAT tester but who has not passed or studied the above qualification.
As this company supply us with a fair few of these I may consider the above but that said as we work on a special rate with this company I have told them that if we do offer PAT testing that the rate would need to increase to take account of the investment and accountabilty factors.
They reckon that the going rate for a PAT test is around £ 3.50 per appliance but I thought it would be more ?
For anyone who does PAT testing how easy is it to do and how easy is the C & G exam. Is there a legal requirement for a repairer who repairs and services such appliances which are used in a workplace to be qualified and PAT test such repairs ?
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these threads might help
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … at+testing
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … ic&t=14858
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … ic&t=25706
I’m booked at a local college and the course is very popular, couldn’t get on the April course, had to go for May course.Don’t know about legal requirement but do a cost analysis Vs potential local market. (don’t for cost of equipment & calibration) I’ve been doing some local reasearch and there are a number of companies locally who offer PAT testing and if it wasn’t for some guaranteed work I probably wouldn’t bother. I’m still having second thoughts and I seem to be seeing a great variation in prices.
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hurray, evenually took my much delayed part part 2 of of C&G 2377 this evening qualification (long story, been waiting 3 weeks to take my second exam) (yes that meant I could not have beer during the match)
93.5{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} & 97.5{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} for both papers. Now I just need a tester. PLI was amended to specifiy PAT testing but Zurich said “technically” I was covered anyway.I know this has hugh possibilites but any pointers/suggestions for Testers – or even ones to avoid.
I have work lined up just need the kit now….
thanks
Steve
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Have a look at these handheld Seaward testers – they do PAT and RCD trip times as well as cord test functions.
I have a Seaward PAT tester and it is reliable and easy to use. I would definately recommend them. 😉http://www.seaward.co.uk/products/Prime … Tester.asp
Steve.
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Can anyone clarify when & what appliances are required to be PAT tested, we repair domestic vacuum cleaners should they be tested ❓
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Thought vacuum cleaners or any double insulated appliance (no earth, 2 core supply cable) didn’t need testing, just visual inspection, i’m open to correction though.
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still needs testing – if they did not – there would be no class 2 test facility on the testers.
FranzRe: PAT Testing
Correct me if I am wrong but I understood that pat testing only needs to be done on appliances being used in commercial premises??
John
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Pat testing is no different from the normal testing that should be done after any electrical repair i.e earth leakage and insulation resistance tests.
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allan73 wrote:So is it my responsability to Pat test all domestic vac repairs ?
No, it is not your responsibility… It is a responsibility of the user. If an item in my shop that you wished to buy was not PAT tested and you requested that I do so, once I PAT test that item and you take it from the building it must be PAT tested again when it arrives where you are going to use it.
A safety certificate lasts only for the actual day it was issued and is only valid for the place where it was actually issued.
George
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Having just become PAT tested I did not know that this was the case, in our circumstances we get passed commercial cleaning machines and they have to be PAT tested, based on what has been said is it the case that if I PAT test these machines at my workshop and they are then delivered back to the user who then uses these onsite at thier premises these appliances are no longer legal as far as PAT goes ?
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As far as the PAT testing certificate goes .. No ..
What would be the norm in the quoted case would be that they are all delivered to you.. you do any repairs necessary .. you do a quick earth and resistance test on each one to ensure you are not wasting your time… you then take them back to the customers you plug each one into the PAT tester and issue a certificate.
You would normally charge for the service and repairs and then charge an extra fee for the PAT test. The fee varies widely.. I know of fees varying from £3.00 – £17.50 per item … I also know of guys that charge per joblot.
George
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we have a pat testing and appliance repair business. we have a city and guilds certificate although my understanding is that any one who is deemed competent in the use of the tester can perform such tests.
with regard to class 2 vacuum cleaners the most important test is the visual. we see loads of uprights with exposed copper in the mains lead where its been run over with the brush. i don’t think i’ve ever failed one on insulation. our testers (seaward supernova plus) also does a power up test. this is where you discover that the motor is u/s very common on dysons.
our charge per item varies between £2 and £2.5.if you sell recon appliances i.e. washers etc then you should test them prior to sale. under the sale and hire of goods act it is the duty of the vendor to take all reasonable precautions to ensure that the goods are safe.
we should all really do this both before and after each repair we do in customers homes. this is to minimise the risk to ourselves (health and safety at work) and of course to our customers in case we have left the appliance in a dangerous condition. the classic that i’ve done twice is nipping the harness on a hoover performer washer behind the motor screw.
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