smeg a1. 1 dual fuel range cooker

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hi guys , dont usually get to involved in these because of gas , hob . but done hinges fan motors elements ect. ,hinges are gone on this . but getting very hot where knobs are . and can hear that cooling fan isnt . running . how difficult is it to change these ? also if it safe to just replace hinges . and still use oven with cooling fan not working ?.

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any one clued up on these ?

[electrofix]

I would say the unit is unsafe to use without the fan running. it could be the fan unit or the stat or controller that operates it

with it being a gas appliance you would probably be breaking the law if you repaired it but its up to you

Dave

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what if am not touching the gas parts of the cooker ? though

[electrofix]

don’t know but I still think its a treading on ice moment. I am sure one of the gas boys will step in and clarify but as far as I know you should not do it. I even think it may be illegal if you disconnect the customers gas pipe which is mad as they are designed to be disconnected by the owner

one of the problems is if you attend a gas appliance you are supposed to check the whole gas system for faults. if you repair the cooker and a week later a gas leak causes an explosion which may be in the boiler then questions would be asked as to who last repaired a gas appliance in the premises. Although you are not responsible for the leak if the customer had had a gas safe engineer out the explosion would not have happened

you can see where I am coming from and yes I have fitted non gas part to a gas cookers but there are risks to this and you must be aware of them

Dave

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yeh i know mate its a grey area last year. the carpet fitters came to fit my new lino in kitchen . they disconnected the gas cooker .. laid lino . then reconnected it again . that ment to be illegal then ?

[electrofix]

in theory he is disconnecting a gas pipe so in my limited knowledge I don’t think its allowed mad isn’t it

the crazy thing is I have found dangerous gas mistakes made by so called gas safe engineers. The whole system is a mess. There needs to be a way of working on the electrics of a gas cooker as long as you don’t disconnect gas parts without being screwed for very expensive licences. lets face it Gas safe is a monopoly or a legal cartel

Dave

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yeh jobs for the boys mate a con .. although i do agree . replacing gas parts and joints you should be qualified . its a piece o cake to .. all you need is a pressure gage and a bit rubber hose . gas guys still use them .

[Kentish]

Having used to do gas under the original CITB system, if you worked on an appliance that had any gas element to it you had to do a soundness test regardless of what you did.
I think the disconnecting of the gas pipe by flooring guys may be slightly different as they aren’t repairing that appliance professionally.
Any appliance that has a gas element to it we don’t touch regardless of what the fault may be.

[electrofix]

Hollytree_Technical wrote:This fact sheet may be useful to you on what you can and can’t do on a gas appliance.

Jem

that just seems to link to the main website page and not to a specific document

Dave

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Hollytree_Technical wrote:This fact sheet may be useful to you on what you can and can’t do on a gas appliance.

Jem

had a look through this . cookers it says . gas safe for cookers , but excluding range cookers , am now even more confused , { ?

[kwatt]

If you disconnect a bayonet fitting it’s fine, those are intended to be disconnected by consumers so they can pull stuff out and clean.

Beyond that, on dual fuel, it’s a well grey are, discussed many times including by the WTA with Gas Safe and the HSE and no clear guidance has been forthcoming. Basically, nobody wants to put their head on the block.

So long as you do not break or interrupt a gas supply or carrying part then, technically, you should be okay. But it’s not a dead cert.

K.

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ok cheers

[kaibart]

Just to clear this up the homeowner or responsible person can legally disconnect and re connect a gas cooker that is on a baynoet fitting taking into account that it has been fitted in the 1st instance by a gas safe engineer as regards to working on this appliance you can do the electrical side ie element switches cooling fans Tec but not thermocouples or any thing relating to the gas side if you don’t feel happy working on it don’t do it. As Dave has said either toc that controls the fan or cooling fan itself hope this clears things up as I’ve just renewed my gas safe and asked main similar questions.kai

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that clears that up then cheers

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