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If you don’t understand the title you’re not as old as me…..
Its likely that between now and the 1st Jan 06 that some person(parentage debateable) in Brussels will decide who owns the scrap, once you’ve completed a repair. What do you do now? Do you remove all the rubbish (cardboard etc), do you slide the scrap stainless into a “Christmas weigh in” for the troops, do you leave it all behind and take the flak later for doing so? Whichever you do some bureaucrat in Brussels (earning zillions of euro’s), is likely to decide that rubbish has to be removed (at no cost to the consumer) because they want to ensure that its all recycled!
What does that mean to us?
To begin with we will have to register as “rag and bone” men, this will cost us a packet, because we will need a license to give out free balloons as we remove the “scrap”. If you don’t have a license you can be charged with a criminal offence, and sent to do time in jail..at least there’s no speed cameras in there. So having forked out for your license you then have to prove you do everything correctly by filling out “waste transportation dockets” before you touch it, you will have to receive a similar docket when you hand it all over to the next “waste disposer” in the chain. If you don’t…guess what…they’ll lock you up (yep, at least you’re free of the speed cameras again). This will look great on your C.V. bound to enhance your local reputation.
I suppose the point of this is to make you aware that THIS is soon to be upon us, whether we like it or not.
So what are we going to do about the Work Providers and their policy of removal of scrap/rubbish and where they see us fitting into the “BIG” picture. One thing is for sure, It’s not my scrap/rubbish so I don’t see why I should carry the can(pun) for this European Legislation.
What do the rest of you think…is this a topic for our September meeting, to decide on an industry stance,where we can all support one another in the outcome.
UKW will be pleased to support more info at the next meeting if there’s interest shown.
KevinRe: Steptoe and Son…any old iron!
I totaly agree with you kevin on all of your comments, just wondering how many of us lot have a waste carrier license, i have held one for nine years now and dont see the admin a problem, but by law if you collect packaging or old appliances you must have the ticket to do so, i found out the hard way when i was stopped by the local envoiroment guy.
Cheers Bob.
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This is great stuff, even in Faulty Towers they never came up with scripting as brilliant as this.
We now have a tax on gas installations that we have to charge back, with some people seriously not taking it seriously.
We have all sorts of congestion charges and parking woes to contend with, at our expence of course as you get the old “rough with the smooth” retort.
We have some muppet in parliment that thinks he’s going to charge us by the mile for using the roads that WE pay for! In effect turning every single road into a toll road without having to employ roadside machinery or, heaven forbid, people.
We already have the highest fuel duties in the EU, partially offset by the lack of toll roads, yes I do realise that it’s not just that cut and dried. And of course any increase in those costs are just expected to be absorbed by us, how far away is £1 a litre now?
We have all sorts of red tape to deal with if you are en employer with more than five employees, something that all teh parties, including Labour, have promised to address. We’ll see, but I ain’t holding my breath.
We have WEEE round the corner.
And to cap it all off, we have this insane idea!
So in effect we’ll end up having to charge a percentage on any business for “waste handling”, in effect a tax, on a tax, upon a tax.
Brilliant, just brilliant.
And I didn’t even have a criminal record either, I was just out to make an honest living.
K.
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BobHope wrote:just wondering how many of us lot have a waste carrier license, i have held one for nine years now and dont see the admin a problem, but by law if you collect packaging or old appliances you must have the ticket to do so, i found out the hard way when i was stopped by the local envoiroment guy.
Cheers Bob.
Do you want to expand on that a bit Bob ,are you saying if we sell mrs jones a new appliance and dispose of her old one we have to have a licence to carry the waste away ?
Lawrence
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Yes Lawrence you do, but I would like Kevin to expand on the whole concept as it does not inlvolve spare parts either fitted, removed or otherwise as far as I am aware 😉
I’m not sure if Kev is relating to to the WEEE directive on this or another line of legislation…
Dave.
One of the reasons I got out of the electrical trade is that they legislated that you are responsible for the whole installation if you added to or altered any fixed wiring.
1/. As my x-ray vision was failing (old age), I was no longer able to look through walls floors and ceilings to see potentially dodgy wiring or it’s imminent failure so I felt I couldn’t comply with legislation
2/. As my acute hearing was failing (too much pink floyd), I was no longer able to hear through walls floor and ceilings to hear potentially dodgy wiring or it’s immenent failure so I felt I couldn’t comply with legislation
3/. As my acute touch was failing (too much stoking womens thighs), I was no longer able to feel through walls floor and ceilings to feel potentially dodgy wiring or it’s imminent failure so I felt I couldn’t comply with legislation
4/. As my acute smell was failing (too much smelling fine wine), I was no longer able to smell through walls floor and ceilings to smell potentially dodgy wiring or its imminent failure so I felt I couldn’t comply with legislation
5/. As my acute taste was failing (too much tasting fine food), I was no longer able to taste through walls floor and ceilings to taste potentially dodgy wiring or it’s imminent failure so I felt I couldn’t comply with
legislation.6/. As my crystal ball was broken (too much lottery number gazing), I was no longer able to predict the future to forsee potentially dodgy wiring or it’s iminent failure so I felt I couldn’t comply with legislation.
And you wonder why people become cowboys
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Its very likely the weee directive will qualify ownership of the used spare that you remove from an appliance.
Remember to the geeks its all recyclable, they can’t see what we see and have no idea what we actually do for a living. They’re pen pushers full stop.At present I will not remove broken/used spare or the packaging a new part comes in, from the customers house. I take the stand that I am the repairer not the dustman, the customer owns the rubbish and used parts as far as I’m concerned, whether that is the home owner or manufacturer/insurance company/work provider. Certainly I’m not contracted to remove rubbish nor am I paid for it.
If you look at brown goods, the guys are obliged to remove CRT’s and Plasma’s and in the latter case have to increase the vehicle insurance to carry those. So who picks up this extra cost? It could be argued that the labour rate for a plasma far outweighs the extra cost, it does.
However we are not going to get rates like that in this industry, if it becomes EU law that I have to remove the waste(think geek and be a penpusher whilst doing it) it is the easiet path for them. The person who creates the “recyclable waste” can remove it (at no cost to the consumer). The geek will not care about the cost of recycling, only about the law that it should be done. Bringing the cost down will be left to those who have to do it, so where do you think the buck will stop if we don’t smarten up our act?
The weee directive will have huge impact on us, increase red tape, increase admin, increase costs and the real kicker is the consumer is not to be financially burdened by any of it, legally.
Kevinkheath wrote:Its very likely the weee directive will qualify ownership of the used spare that you remove from an appliance.
The customer always retains ownership of the parts that come out of the machine that he/she owns.
We dispose of them for, primarily asthetic, then safety, then training purposes, and sometimes to recondition.
The slow turnover parts that we have removed we retain for three months in case the customer asks for them back. (whether they get “their” part or not is sometimes open to debate). If we don’t give them back we could and have had a proposed “theft” charge levelled against uskheath wrote:The weee directive will have huge impact on us, increase red tape, increase admin, increase costs and the real kicker is the consumer is not to be financially burdened by any of it, legally.
The consumer always pays.
I’m sick of being told that costs have to be absorbed!
How??????
There’s no blood in this stone.Re: Steptoe and Son…any old iron!
and again i totaly agree with all your comments, but how many of you remove the customers old appliance or reclaim refigerant gas from systems, if you do you risk a heavy fine if you are stopped by an enviroment officer and you dont have a vehicle carriers controlled waste ticket.
its full title is Certificate of registration under the control of the pollution (amendment) act 1989. so its not a new act or part of the wee directive.
Cheers Bob.Re: Steptoe and Son…any old iron!
Bob is correct.
If you uplift anything from a customer’s home then it qualifies as “waste” and as such you must have a waste carriers license to transport it. Whilst the authorities seem to be pretty relaxed (until now) on general spares they’d crucify you if they caught you with anything considered carsonogenic (sp?) such as a foamed door or the likes. They will also have your guts if you have an old appliance as, it is classed as waste.
Now you can argue all you like about you going to recycle or recondition it but it will fall on deaf ears, they don’t care as you are carrying waste products and, if you get caught as Bob points out, you’re up for a very heavy fine or as Kevin nicely puts it, a break from the speed cameras.
It is also correct that this has been around for ages, just not enforced too well but I was caught many years ago on this and I just will not allow the guys to carry used appliances if it’s possibly avoidable. I do it as a favour for some people on the odd occasion, but that’s it.
K.
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Thanks K.
just a note to say that this carriers ticket wont break the bank account, for me its only £90.00 for three years so its worth having, and my local trade collector will not empty my waste bin without it.Cheers Bob.
Don’t think I’ll get out of bed tomorrow.
Too many little hitlers running around in uniforms.
And I thought we won the war.
A Sydney train commuter was fined $200 by the little hitlers because he was “running on the platform”.
If it was on TV it has to be true. I seen the ticket (on TV)
I feel like starting a new topic “1001 ways the Government could tax you” however I fear they are reading this site and would get too many ideas.
Like:
Dangerous goods certificate @ $100 required to carry petroleum products in fuel tank of vehicle
Noise pollution meter on horn @ $100 a parp
Light pollution meter after hours @ $100 / hour
Exhaust must be collected and disposed of in recycling centre @ $’s
Smoke detector in every vehicle
Vehicle certified each year as to danger to public health
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It does seem strange that new legislation discourages recycling. When I diagnose a fault and give a repair estimate that the customer deems “beyond economic repair” one of three things usually happens with the old appliance:
1) Customer phones the local Council, who collect it free of charge.
2) I take the machine away, remove some parts and take the rest of the machine to the local scrap metal company, where I am not charged or paid for the scrap.
3) I take the machine away, fit some parts obtained via route 2) and sell the machine as secondhand.I would say I am currently doing my bit for recycling but it looks likely that I will have to give up this sideline. I don’t sell new machines so if I do supply a replacement machine it will be one generated via route 3) . I don’t know how one would stand if the invoice stated a part exchange allowance on the old machine. Would it then just be a secondhand appliance, rather than waste?
Yeah very good points Phidom.
And don’t forget, you’ll need your new ID card that you’ve paid for so “they” know who you are to bang you up. 🙄
K.
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BobHope wrote:Thanks K.
just a note to say that this carriers ticket wont break the bank account, for me its only £90.00 for three years so its worth having, and my local trade collector will not empty my waste bin without it.
Cheers Bob.Hi Bob
How did you go about obtaining it ?
Lawrence
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