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So, we need a waste handling license to remove WEEE from the customers’ property but following advice 😉 these machines do not become WEEE until the point at which it’s declared WEE i.e. not going to be repaired and returned to a customer. (can be established in the workshop)
The question is do we need a license to store it after it’s declared WEEE before collection for transportation to a recycling centre, or do we need to stack the junk carefully with a customer name on each until they are collected? 😆
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Clive – From the Environment Agencies point of view, (and it depends on what area you are in) from the point that the customer (owner of the appliance) decides that they no longer want the appliance it becomes waste (WEEE). You subsequently need to have a waste carriers license to move it. If you take it back to your premises, and say you take out the salad draw for another machine that has a cracked one. You have handled it and need a waste management license (exemption). Requirement for a waste management license is covered storage, concrete flooring and traps to contain leakage. Environment Agency inspects your gaff and if it meets their standards off you go (if however it fails you have to pay them a full retest fee). So start up fees are something like WCL = £144 per three year period, WML = £495 for one year (and if you fail another £495 for each subsequent retest) and upgrading of gaff (say £4K for a small operation). Now I realise that this does not answer your question, things are going on in the background with John Hopwood but you get the ‘cash cow’ drift. I was going to take my company down the ‘re-use’ route but decided that it was not going to be cost effective. Ian
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There is an exemption for the storage of WEEE if you are “repairing” it. John is looking to get clarification on that at the moment as they say it exists but don’t tell you how to get it.
The one big thing in this is, how are they going to police this? And, then on top of which as I pointed out yesterday, the EA et all have much better things to do than chase down the odd small trader that’s reworking a few machines. Like, for example, chasing down the supposed 4500 producers operating in the UK that are not yet supposedly registered.
K.
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This WEEE thing seems to be a bit slap dash.
Other than this site I have had no notification from anywhere and as such have little or no idea of what I`m supposed to be doing. It seems you have to be a philadelphia lawyer to understand simply the basics. It might as well be written in Greek.
Until the government, or whoever is supposed to be policing this, can distinguish between their elbow and some other part of their anatomy then it`s business as usual.
I mean, can I or cant I take old machines to the council recycling centre? and if I can`t then why are they still accepting them? And what is everyone else doing with old machines at the moment?
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From what I understand of it, it’s a total shambles thus far.
It would have been big news over the first weekend of the month, until some wannabe terrorist drove a jeep into Glasgow airport. 😉
That kinda killed all publicity of the launch of the WEEE Directive. But, even at that, many retailers, not just in this industry I hasten to add, are blissfully unaware as it would appear are many producers again, I hasten to add, not just in this industry. The IT industry is just totally lost on it from what I can tell.
One of the core criteria for any new legislation is that it has to be enforceable and, thus far, I cannot see any way that of this being done to any great degree. But only time will tell now as government pretty much has to make this work, somehow.
K.
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And yet again UKW seem to be the only people who are taking a lead on it .
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then it`s business as usual.
same here bazza500,I will continue to recon until i get a visit from the WEEE police 😉
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Hi All,
After months of work and 3 weeks of pulling my hair out below is the ISE / UKW plan for WEEE.
I will get Ken to post the letters I have received from the DTi, Treasury and Environment Agency plus a section from the house of commons WEEE debate on 10th July which may put a different slant on the whole thing by allowing reconditioned machines to count as producer evidence something my MP lobbied for at my request.
1. YOUR OBLIGATION AS A RETAILER
Join VALPAK pay £700+ and have nothing to do with it, OR do instore takeback.
Instore takeback means you will have to prove when challenged by the Evironmental services part of your local council, that you have taken back like for like product that you have sold. To do this you must keep a record of what you have sold, offer your customer the option to take the product it is replacing. If they say no fine (make a note) if they say yes bring it back. You must then dispose of the machine with a registered recycler most local scrap dealers will be OK, when it is collected or dropped of get a receipt. If they can not receit you chances are they are not registered with the council.
2. PRODUCER OBLIGATION
ISE has an obligation as a producer of electrical product to recycle their market share. Some scrap yards have licenses from the environment agency as Authorised Treatment Facility, these are permitted to issue evidence for producers. If use an AFT to take your scrap you can use our terms via DHL which will mean you will be paid £3 or £4 per machine for scrap and they will take fridges at a charge of £3 or £4 per machine. This will help us offset our obligation and any suplus evidence we get we will sell and split the proceeds.
We have a deal with DHL which offsets Scrap value for transport, however the administration of this has proved problematic for us and the hassle for you of holding scrap on site while a collection is arranged is just not worth it for evidence worth 20p per machine.
OUR ADVICE : If your have an AFT on your doorstep and wish to drop it of, great we’ll sort it out for you get you DHL terms and split evidence revinue. If not use a local scapman (assuming he has a license from your local council) but keep records and keep receipts for what you sell.
The governments line is in documents enclosed in Ken’s post.
I hope this clarifies the situations any questions please call me,
Regards
John
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Thanks for that info John, so to summarise from our point of view as a small retailer we can find a local AFT or approved scrap dealer to take the scrap to under the ‘instore take back’ and make sure we get receipts for each product, or if we want it collected from our premises we need to contact DHL directly to do this and notify you so it can be done under your registration scheme (ie US arranging the collection deal etc to save you administration) We’d rather do the latter if it gives you valuable evidence?
Have i got this correct or is the DHL thing now dead?
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John’s on holiday for a couple of weeks Clive but yes, you got it from what I understand of it.
K.
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kwatt wrote:John’s on holiday for a couple of weeks Clive but yes, you got it from what I understand of it.
K.
Which bit Ken, notify ISE about a DHL collection, or the DHL scheme is dead?
Oops, about the DHL collection. It’s not dead, just more awkward than we were led to believe due to the change in ground rules after play had begun.
K.
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What i’m getting at is the fact that we have a number of scrap machines now and we’re ready to dispose of them, so do we ;-
1. Join Valpak (last resort)
2. Take to/arrange collection from a local authorised scarp dealer and obtain our own evidence
3. Speak directly to DHL to arrange collection of scrap and notify them and ISE of the arranged scheme between them so the evidence can go to ISE
4. Speak to John for him to arrange the whole DHL collection and evidence thing
Don’t mind the last three and if the last two are not worthwhile for ISE because of the administration/benefit position then so be it…we’d just like some direction i suppose 😉
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I’d normally say, speak to John but that’s a problem as he’s off ATM. 😉
It depends on where youre local AFT is, but David has lists of them so if you as he can check for you to see what the best option is.
K.
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