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Guys,
I think it’s time to really give a bit back to the subscribers.
In that vein anyone that wants to attend the meeting abroad I think UKW should foot the bill for 1 passenger on the plane.
Either that or we do the beer money thing again and pay for a shitload of drinks, which in some ways would be better.
Whatever we do, I think we should make an effort to give a little back as well.
Thoughts?
K.
Re: UKW Meeting Sep 05
jumping the gun a bit….long way off a meeting abroad…..too soon to give a bit back I think. Perhaps nearer the time when and if this is going to take place.
Kevin
Re: UKW Meeting Sep 05
kwatt wrote:I think it’s time to really give a bit back to the subscribers.
It doesn’t take much to confuse an old codger like me, and again I’m confused 😳 I thought the whole idea of subscribing to UKW was to fund its future development, stick in bigger and better servers, create a slush funded legal framework, inject our hard earned stash into a ‘rainy day’ account for those that may need help in the future ❓
Beer money is not what I had invisaged 🙄
kwatt wrote:In that vein anyone that wants to attend the meeting abroad I think UKW should foot the bill for 1 passenger on the plane.
By paying for and putting Dave Conway on a one-way flight to Baghdad is so unfair also ❗
Martin
Re: UKW Meeting Sep 05
Martin wrote:It doesn’t take much to confuse an old codger like me, and again I’m confused 😳 I thought the whole idea of subscribing to UKW was to fund its future development, stick in bigger and better servers, create a slush funded legal framework, inject our hard earned stash into a ‘rainy day’ account for those that may need help in the future 😕
I have always said that the subscriber money is for the subscribers to be used as they see fit, not me.
In addition to what they pay any all revenues from Amazon and Google go in there as well. Amazon has donated about £300 IIRC and Google about $1400 less charges etc. By the time this happens there should be about that again, maybe more if we’re in luck. So in effect, we could afford to fund the beer money out of that if you like and still not be touching what you guys have paid in.
I always said it was about generating revenues from other sources haven’t I? 😉
K.
Re: UKW Meeting Sep 05
You ask for thoughts…….
Well its far too early to have a disscussion on what we might have next year in september.
And besides I don’t think paying a flight for 1 is any good. Chipping in to a worthy cause is not in doubt, beer money is. Its one thing to put a ton behind the bar, quite another to “give some back”. At £5.00 per month suscription and what arrives from amazon/google plus spares sales I think we should let it accumulate, for now.
Kevin
Re: UKW Meeting Sep 05
I have pm’d Kevin on the subject (I’ll let him explain as he has a way with words) 😆
Martin
Ken , Question ? , -Why have people subscibed ? What are they getting out of it ? Why give it back ? If your going to give it back, dont give it all, you don’t know when (and if )you will need it, give a little for feel good factor, ( Get some fridge door magnets printed with UKW goods on it and agents number ! just an idea ). Pay for a meal on sept 05(don’t put it behind the bar because you and Kev will drink it all !) – I think you need to put some more thought in to it, will the subsciptions and other income pay someones wage ?
Re: UKW Meeting Sep 05
Great, I actually wanted to have this discussion.
I have always said that the funds from subscribers should be used to benefit subscribers, in whatever way they see fit. If you look back through all the posts on the subject I have maintained that line since we started it. Now, if you lot want the funds to pay for beer or pay for badges, signs, dockets or whatever else you want to do with it then I’m open to ideas, as I’m sure we all are.
There is an idea in paying for a meal alone. There’s an idea in paying for the likes of fridge magnets, although I have my own ideas there that won’t cost us a bean. 😈
Kev an I wouldn’t drink it all, that would be mean! :rotfl:
Currently and, for the foreseeable future, there isn’t enough money there to pay a salary for someone, I very much doubt there ever would be, nor was that the intent. My sentiment is that UKW should be funded on a day-to-day basis by other means which is entirely possible it’s just taking time to get it sorted out but bear with me. The guys like us that are just working Joes simply don’t have the financial ability to fund what I’ve done or intend to do, simple fact. Once you realise that then you also logically reach the conclusion that funding has to be obtained using other means.
It also follows that any services piled on top are either free gratis, which I make them wherever I possibly can, or you pay if you want the service. Much the same as going into a store and purchasing only what YOU need without, as is the traditional model for these sorts of things, trying to go at it with a “one cap fits all” type approach or scaling it on something that bears no relation to the profitability of the business, only the size of it.
So, the subscribers fund sits there and grows. What you want to use it for is up to you guys, not me. Just because I suggest something doesn’t mean it just arrived by email from God himself but hopefully it may make you think about it and decide or debate what you want to see done.
But please keep ratling the ideas out, it’s good to see the comments.
K.
Re: UKW Meeting Sep 05
The subscribers money is for the subscribers to decide what to do with as far as I am concerned, I believe Ken’s suggestion af a flight ticket etc was a prompter for this debate to take place rather than a “this is what’s gonna happen” type thing which would inevitably lead to the thread going off topic from the original title.
kwatt moves in mysterious ways 😉 😆
Dave.
Personally, I move with Senokot…….. NO, no, irrelevant. Also, not good at the flying thing….
Look, there isn’t a lot of dosh – yet. It would make more sense to try and round up yet more Subscribers and see where we are in a few months time. If there is Subscription money available, I would like to see it used to push UKW forward – Ad in Electrical Retailer perhaps? Not everyone uses computers continually in the pursuit of their business (Yet!), so some carefully placed publicity may move things forward on the Trade Membership front – which is what we want and need to increase our voice.
Chris.
Penguin45 wrote:Look, there isn’t a lot of dosh – yet. It would make more sense to try and round up yet more Subscribers and see where we are in a few months time. If there is Subscription money available, I would like to see it used to push UKW forward – Ad in Electrical Retailer perhaps? Not everyone uses computers continually in the pursuit of their business (Yet!), so some carefully placed publicity may move things forward on the Trade Membership front – which is what we want and need to increase our voice.
Chris.Well Said. However I like the idea of a foreign jolly, cheap enough midweek with Easy Jet, fly out from your local airport & all meet up at the other end. Something like Paris, lovely place but wasted on the French.
Penguin is right though, before we go out on a spree let’s use the money to recruit more members to UKW and the subscriber forum. Then we can look at a small reward, maybe as an incentive to attract some high profile members and raise our credibility a bit more.
Alex
Re: UKW Meeting Sep 05
Okay, on the meeting thing…
How about we go for a meeting abroad, see what happens? It’s a cheap holiday with some friends and it involves no less time out the business. In fact I’d wager that the cost of it would be pretty much the same as holding a meeting in the UK as well as the travel costs since almost all of us are within striking distance of a low cost airline.
On the funding thing…
Good I’m glad it got a reaction.
In terms of promotion of UKW, this is happening but it takes time I’m afraid. But in the past three months we’ve had exposure for free in the Independent Electrical Retailer, ERT and The BBC. I’m going for, that’s not half bad for nothing but some effort on my part.
I’m busy this week with invoicing etc. or I’d be doing some more there to build on that, but I’ll get to it.
In the same way that you can do that for nothing and I’ve just proved that you can, there are a lot of other things that can be accomplished at little or no cost. In fact, some people might even be willing to pay us!
What I’m saying is that a lot of the stuff that you come up with I have already thought through and, in many cases, already taken action on or am in the process of doing so. With that in mind I see the subscriber cash as a slush fund to be used as we all see fit to use it and if you want an advert in ERT or whatever then so be it, I’ll just get on and get it done.
All I would say is, don’t forget about enjoying it as well.
K.
Re: UKW Meeting Sep 05
The other thread is now a poll for the abroad meeting in the UK Whitegoods forum.
I agree on the funding etc, lets leave it alone for the time being and take a deeper look at the situation in February.
Although forward planning the September one is a good idea so we have some plans and ideas in place, should we not concentrate more on the February meet for now ?
Dave.
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