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Re: Avoiding Sludge
If my hot water setup at home in the UK were a bit different I’d definitely run it on the hot supply – apart from anything else it would most surely be cheaper, and probably cycle quicker. Problem is a) there’s too long a dead leg before the dishwasher, and b) this house has a combi – this Siemens thing tends to take in water in small “sips” of only a few seconds at some points in the programme, so it would be constantly switching the boiler on and off, which I suspect will cause additional wear and tear.
From your own experience, do you know why Siemens say in the book that it’s acceptable to use a hot supply (up to 60c) but they recommend a cold supply ?Starting to wonder whether the instruction book should be filed under “fiction” 😆
Edit – IIRC, during the drying stage the machine takes in some fresh water – presumably to condense the steam and assist the drying ? That probably wouldn’t work with hot water. That anything to do with it ?
Re: Avoiding Sludge
They’re similar, but not the same for a variety of reasons. Last summer I went with a near neighbour (I have a holiday home in the US) who needed a new d/washer and asked me to go with her as she assumed as I’m English I’d know all about the “premier” European products :rolls: Mainly Bosch we looked at, and they were all hot fill which is normal in the US, so this sort of problem perhaps won’t happen with those versions.
She didn’t buy one as the ones we looked at worked out more expensive than a lot of the US made machines. Meanwhile, my old noisy and probably very energy inefficient Maytag trundles on. It was probably part of the kitchen fitment package when the house was new,10-12 years ago, and undoubtedly bottom of the range at the time. But – you can chuck anything in it and it grinds up the debris: doesn’t clog, washes fine, and fairly quick. Dries just about Ok if you leave it well alone for a while.
I dread to think how it gets treated when visitors stay there, but it’s never failed yet. If/when it does, I’ll replace it with the closest current model I can get to it, knowing that Maytag today probably aint the same quality as it was even a decade ago. 😐
Re: Avoiding Sludge
There’s no need to be sarky. Just pointing out that what you say all manufacturers recommend is not actually the case, so you shouldn’t blame user error as the source of the problem if they are following the book. I’ve no doubt that a lot of people DO get it wrong, but if someone follows to the letter what (e.g.) Siemens tell you to do, then if it fouls up there’s either something fundamentally wrong with the design, or, nobody told the technical writers they got the user instructions wrong. Of course any dishwasher manufacturer who up front told users “of course, because of the way we designed it you have to rinse the dirt off first” isn’t going to sell many machines.
Re: Avoiding Sludge
iadom wrote:All dishwashers clog up with gunge unless you take the trouble to rinse the dishes first and avoid using the economy washes all the time,it is not a design fault.
Using a dishwasher cleaner occasionally will also help.
Remember, it is a dishWASHER, it is not a waste disposal unit. 😉
See my post above about rinsing dishes not being necessary according to the manufacturer.
I’m not stupid. I do know that European dishwashers, unlike most of their American counterparts, aren’t waste disposers, and I have an efficient one of those installed in my sink.
Having looked inside the machine to fix this problem in the past, I can’t see how a dishwasher cleaner will do anything to resolve this other than make the manufacturers of it rich, as it won’t get anywhere near where this problem occurs. As far as low temp washes being the culprit, I generally use the auto 55-65 which according to the Siemens book is for moderate amounts of food residue, moderately adhesive.
Re: Avoiding Sludge
Martin wrote:
keepitsimple wrote:
I’d now think several times before ever buying anything else from Bosch/Siemens/Neff, unless all the other makes have a similar design.ALL manufacturers dishwashers suffer from this problem and ALL (without exception) advised rinsing crockery before loading in their respective User Instruction Booklets. Prevention always wins hands down over cure and applying this simply guideline eliminates the problem almost entirely.
You must be looking at a different instruction book from mine then. (Siemens SE26T251, page 11) States specifically “…Scrape off any large amounts of left over food ” (which I do, and that goes down the waste disposer) “It is not necessary to rinse the dishes under running water” So you can’t assume that all users are ignoring the manufacturer instructions. Also, although I confess to not doing it after every wash, the filters get thoroughly cleaned from time to time and don’t have much in them anyway, although I doubt this has anything to do with this problem anyway.
Re: Avoiding Sludge
conkerwoman wrote:
Pre-rinsing has always seemed like its missing the point of having a dishwasher to me, but I suppose I could give it a try if it’s definitely going to extend the life of the machine.Is there no way we can manually desludge the inlet? Disconnect and flush through with hot water and detergent? I’m surprised that there isn’t some sort of filter system on there to deal with it.
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I had the same problem on a Siemens d/washer – solved thanks to help received on here. I think it’s a bad bad design from a manufacturer often recommended on here as making better than average machines. It isn’t too difficult to fix once you know how, but a nuisance having to pull the thing out, get the kickplate off and then pull out the short corrugated tube that connects across the bottom (its a push fit at each end with “O” rings, and once you’ve got at it it’s easy). Hot water and bottle brush did the job.
I’d now think several times before ever buying anything else from Bosch/Siemens/Neff, unless all the other makes have a similar design.
Re: bleckmann or thermowatt
busybr wrote:Thank you very much. Well YOU can explain to my pair of 4-leggers why they didn’t get to share my bed this coming Sunday morning 😀
Mission accomplished then. Whoopie doo 😉
(I used to have to explain this to my dog all the time – but they do understand after a while – honest.)
Re: bleckmann or thermowatt
Most bacteria won’t do you any harm – we all have billions of ’em after all. But dirty clothes don’t look good, feel good or smell nice either. 🙁
Re: bleckmann or thermowatt
busybr wrote:I cannot comment on that last point…disgusting as it is, my dogs are no strangers to my boudoir. :boops: In my defense, my dogs are of a breed where they don’t lose a single hair. I couldn’t have dog hairs in my bedroom :eeek:
Well…provided they never have any residues from widdle, poo, slobber or have uninvited little visitors, you’ll be OK then 😆
Re: bleckmann or thermowatt
busybr wrote:
“my laundry isn’t really what you’d call dirty” and “I mean we only sleep in the sheets, that’s all”. Ok… :rolls:“and the dog only joins us occasionally” 😉
Re: bleckmann or thermowatt
60 degrees will kill stuff off ? I thought it had to be a bit over 80 to be certain. Having said that, all our clothes that will stand it are done at 60 anyway, and all the towels and bedlinen (all white cotton) as well as white tee shirts get a 95 blast. (Which is why I wanted a hot & cold fill) Mainly though, it’s to keep ’em white rather than anything else.
I only bought the Ariel stuff ‘cos it was on special and cheaper than all the other main brands at the time.
I doubt that a company like P & G would take any risks with what they claim, and I’d assume it has to be independently verified. The risk to their reputation, not to mention the potential financial risk, would be huge. 6g per litre doesn’t sound like a lot to me, given the low water usage of modern machines. If I remember, I’ll ask my Mum’s nursing home what they use in their laundry, as clearly everything they wash for residents won’t stand high temperatures.
Edit – just on your points about other folks’ washing – it’s probably some or all of:
stinky washing machine full of fungus, probably also with the detergent dispenser gobbed up with undissolved powder
not enough detergent
leaving the stuff piled up and damp for a week after washing it
Not pre-treating places like underarm areas if they need it
Leaving stuff sweaty and stained for ages before washing it
Insufficient rinsesLike yours, my washing is always as fresh as a mountain breeze, and there’s no great secret to it 😀
Re: bleckmann or thermowatt
Aabout 5-6 years ago I bought an LG machine, partly because I thought it was reasonable quality for the price, and the size of the drum gave it a fighting chance of possibly taking the volume of the advertised load (do some other makers use extremely heavy clothes when they “test” ?) Mainly, though,’cos it was one of the few I found with even then with hot and cold fill. Sadly, it only fills with hot to start with (on 60 and over). As soon as it has chucked the stuff around a bit and soaked up the water, it then tops up with cold ;o( I’m sure my hot water (gas) is a lot cheaper than leccy.
busybr – have you used Ariel professional “Hygiene” ? I’m using it at the moment, mainly because it was cheap at Makro and I’ve always assumed Ariel to be a good brand. It reckons to kill off 99.999{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of stuff like MRSA and e.coli (and others listed on the pack) at only 40 degrees after 10 minutes soak, dosed at 6g per litre in accordance with EN1276, whatever that means. Think it’s made by P&G, so I reckon it should be trustworthy.
Might be worth looking into ?Edit – what I don’t know for sure is whether when they say “soak” ir means “submerged”. I interpret it as “saturated”.
Re: Double or single electric oven?
Hello, Jesse
Can only speak as an end-user rather than an expert.
I went through the same decisions a couple of years ago when I refitted my kitchen. I finally decided on a single cavity built under oven. Main reason was I couldn’t find (at that time) a double oven with pyrolitic cleaning (which I particularly wanted – hate oven cleaning). Also, the one I bought seems to have extremely good insulation, including triple glazed door etc. and I’m guessing it is as cheap to run as many smaller cavity ovens. Heats up very quickly too. The downside is the grill is in the top of the oven of course, which could be limiting if you needed to use both at the same time. (I find a cast iron skillet better for most “grilling” anyway).Re: Induction or gas hob?
Things have obviously moved on ! The 5 “burner” one I was originally planning to get drew over 7kw full on I think.
Re: ISE dishwasher
BigBadDad wrote: We’ve both completely bought into the build-to-last philosophy, but if it means unloading wet dishes every day that would be miserable, and it seems that many dishwashers produce exactly that.
BBDI have a Siemens not an ISE, but using good rinse aid, drying work fine. Ceramic, glass and metal stuff comes out hot and dry. The only wet bits might be crevices which haven’t drained properly.
Most plastic stuff, by its nature, will never dry properly though.
