working together

Re: working together

Whether you agree or disagree with the sentiments of Kevin’s post the message is correct. We have to present a united front!

Sorry, but it’s that simple and it’s been made abundantly clear over the weekend from several different sources that in the end, that this is the only way forward. I’ll maybe explain more when I’m not totally fucked and the old grey cells start to work again without being clouded.

As for naming and shaming, I think we’re above that, just IMO.

DASA I think we should back off for a bit and give it a bit of time to maybe sort itself out. A subject to revisit in time, when the time is right.

I stayed quiet all weekend because I accomplished what I wanted to at the AGM and I didn’t want to cause an upset in the camp as I’d just get branded as a troublemaker…AGAIN! 😀

Now I’m going to bed as I’m knackered!

K.

Re: working together

There is no doubt that a lot of people have been upset by recent coments posted on the site re DASA. IMHO Some of the points raised were justified, others were not.

But are we now given to understand that personal comments made by, and too individuals, at national meetings of work providers are also considered to be the official views of DASA or NESN ? I THINK NOT !

Kev, you were there Friday night, the person perported to have made those comments was in the very same room as yourself.
You were perfectly at liberty to approach him and enquire if there were any truth in the comments he was reported to have made and act accordingly to his answer.

Surely we are above dragging down two organisations over the testosterone charged ramblings of the miffed feelings of individuals.
Or are we to wallow in an ethical code, last practiced by us all in the schoolyard all those years ago.

You cannot fire off salvo’s from this site with impunity. You are bound to cause some ruffeled feathers or hurt feelings and therefore you cannot reasonabley expect people not to react.

When you have something to say you tend to shoot from the hip, and count the bodies afterwards, as best described in the time honoured Yorkshire saying of……….” AH’LL SAAAY WOT AH BLODDY WELL LIAK !, AN’, AH’ BLOODY WELL LIAK WOT AH’ SAAAY ! “

Or are you really suggesting all out war over a little name callin’.
If that is the case, then I think that we did not learn any lessons when Martin was magnanamous to rise above a similar discurtousey.

Del

Re: working together

Ken,

To be fair, the woman was smashed out of her f**king skull Friday night and her better half, eventually had to practically carry her upstairs to the room.
That does not mean to say that you have in any way misjudged the motives behind the sentiments she passed that night, or her other half passed, earlier in the week.

My point is this. That for all his resentment of our little knitting circle of trade terrorist’s, he has taken our comments very much to heart and has actually offered his services to help re-write the DASA constitution, which let’s face it is no mean task.

We all sat there on saturday and listned to Steve Clark’s reasons behind AMDEA’S decision to re write their’s so onme can only assume it will be along similar lines, at least as far as the COP is concerned.

Which is what we were all askin for. So do you not see a little irony in that. 😉

Leave them alone, and they will come home, wagging their tails behind them.

Del

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Oh I won’t have any issue including them at all Del.

What pisses me off is that an agent’s area is just that, his! If he fucks it up then fair play, the gates open and the contenders compete for the work and that’s fine. What I abhor is the “golden handshake” approach to, basically, stealing the food from one poor suckers plate to feed someone else with it.

What you have to consider is this, has Phil done anything to justify losing those postal areas? The answer is, as far as we know, no. To freely volunteer to assist in taking that work away with no legitimate reason to do so is unfair IMO, but as I said, if Phil is making an arse of it then hell mend him for it, it’s his own fault if he loses the work and he knows and will probably accept that fact.

I for one don’t want any of my work getting pinched like that. And just to clarify it, I’ve had it done to me by someone we all know, so I know how fucked off Phil would be by something like that, quite rightly.

Its just the same where Kev does not cross the line with Flipper, he has the CDSL work that Flipper couldn’t do, okay that wasn’t just his call and I know that, but the fact is he couldn’t do it so Kev does. By the same token Kev, the same guy that set up the MFI network, does practically fuck all work for them because he gave up a load of postcodes to Phil and, I think, some to Jason as well. In addition he also helped Jason out the shit with CDSL.

So, whilst I may not always see eye-to-eye with Kevin on everything I really don’t think anyone here has any reason to say boo about it to him in all honesty. All Kevin is trying to do is protect Phil, the fact that the twat insulted him is secondary, but annoying given the givens.

In all honesty I also was going to give postcodes in the MFI thing to some who fucked me off, that was knocked back by MFI not by me.

Pissing in each other’s pools does no good at all and we have to sort it out on a sensible basis and protect one another cause if we don’t and, we don’t take the high ground morally, none of the bastards that want to stuff us will. Kevin and I are only too well aware of this simple fact as well as the fact that there is enough work to go around, with a lot ore on the cards as well, so there’s bugger all point in shit like this as it is merely a diversion.

If said person/s wants to have pop at me, Kev or UKW then fine, do so. We’re only too well able to answer the critisisms, but when it’s not done to your face then there’s little to be done other than what has been done to put it right. Oh and, there’s more to that story than you probably know about in terms of the important part of what was said, what was said about Kev wasn’t that important really as that shit just bounces off Kev, I mean look at the way I talk to the old fucker! 😆

K.

Re: working together

Dave_Conway wrote:

kwatt wrote:
“I don’t trust you”

That should bring memories of a pretty revealing conversation to mind and why, in the end, I shut up. I tried, you tried, they didn’t. When someone is as intent on not listening as that then really, there’s no point in trying too hard.

And who would this be in reference to may I ask ? Not being there and all 😉

Dave.

Hi Dave,

A certain Lady (for want of a better descriptive) actually had the timerity to suggest that niether Ken nor I have honest faces.

Sean

Yeah Del, it has been a tactic used in the past but that was before we were all talking and so the effect of any tactics of that nature are now almost certain to be quashed.

That aside, the fact that postcodes are being reallocated for no reason other than some structure akin to the Masons is not on in my book. I mean, how would you react if some of yours were reallocated to another UKW or DASA member because a favour was asked. I doubt you’d be over the moon, especially if it was without your consent.

The fact that it’s CDSL is coincidental, the principal remains.

What Kev’s on about is that the “arsehole” passed comment and judgement on UKW and him, procceeded to tell the NESN world that he would NEVER wok for CDSL whilst in the background was trying to steal Phil K’s (or some of it at least) area for CDSL work. He then approaches someone that is on this forum an in DASA to do him a favour by trying to support this reallocation of postcodes.

Whilst the grapevine may not have worked fast enough and the knowledge not disseminated fast enough, I would have hung off a bit, as I have done on other occasions, to see what the lay of the land was before opening my gob.

The matter in hand has been dealt with but the principal remains that we have to protect each other. After all, that’s what we’re all about when you boil it down to brass tacks.

K.