1701583

[Qualtex]

Have been advised that future TOC kits will include
a one shot

[leavemetogetonwithit]

Re: 1701583

Tony,
It’s all very well for you guys in heavily populated areas to not worry too much about parts prices. Some of us have to make the most of every job that comes in. Besides, it makes life more interesting using your brain instead of just doing everything according to the Haynes manual.
Mike.

[leavemetogetonwithit]

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If Qualtex can make an error like that and get away with it for three years I think my tinkerings aren’t likely to be too much of a danger to the public.
Mike.

[Martin]

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leavemetogetonwithit wrote:If Qualtex can make an error like that and get away with it for three years I think my tinkerings aren’t likely to be too much of a danger to the public.

I take your point Mike but whilst your tinkerings achieve some result and as cornwell40 and others were referring to, it is (you must admit?) bad practice!

We’ve read all about “drilling tiny holes in TOC’s”…”Freezer Sprays” and all that stuff and nonesense, but come on, that’s not on, is it? Our customers deserve the benefit of our experience in correctly diagnosing the problem, fixing it and returning that appliance back to its original manufacturers specification.
For 3 years now Qualtex have been supplying these kits and many of us (including myself) have fitted many over that time (AND with no problems as far as I am aware?) BUT and this is the crunch….their kits are NOT TO THE SAME ORIGINAL MANUFACTURERS SPECIFICATION….and as such should NOT be fitted by any responsible independent repairer UNTIL they are sorted 👿

Do you not agree?

[Phidom]

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I don’t agree that the makers original part is always the best for the job. Sometimes manufacturers take a long time to respond to their own design faults and an after-market supplier may have improved on the original design. I used to work in the aircraft industry where specifications are set in stone and you can’t introduce improvements without spending vast amounts on flight testing etc. At Dunlop we made the carbon fibre brake discs for Concorde, which was the first aircraft to have this technology. The discs on other aircraft like the B757 were vastly superior as they benefited from subsequent advances in technology but we had to churn out the original, inferior discs for Concorde to meet the original spec.

[leavemetogetonwithit]

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As I made my weary (and wary) way home this evening I began musing about this TOC business.
Strikes me that sometimes the tripping of the one shot can be caused by welding of the contacts in the thermostat making it short circuit. If this happens and the machine cycles at 130 degrees instead, then the customer will probably notice a slight “improvement” in performance.
If the 130 eventually fails open circuit then you get called out to fix a dryer that’s no longer drying. No problem there.
However if the 130 goes short circuit due to welded contacts what happens then ❓ 😯
Glad I’ve only ever had the right stuff in this instance. 8)
Mike.

[johnnyj]

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Replace with a 2.3kw heater and you will find the stats raley fail hotpoint tech/bull advise’s if failing regularily.

[leavemetogetonwithit]

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Martin wrote:….. it is (you must admit?) bad practice!

We’ve read all about “drilling tiny holes in TOC’s”…”Freezer Sprays” and all that stuff and nonesense, but come on, that’s not on, is it?

For 3 years now Qualtex have been supplying these kits and many of us (including myself) have fitted many over that time (AND with no problems as far as I am aware?) BUT and this is the crunch….their kits are NOT TO THE SAME ORIGINAL MANUFACTURERS SPECIFICATION….and as such should NOT be fitted by any responsible independent repairer UNTIL they are sorted 👿

Do you not agree?

I have advocated using your brain instead of blindly following rules. How did Chris (Penguin) know that the TOC40 kit was not a one shot? He took the trouble to examine it, not blindly fit it and rely on it’s manufacturer to do the worrying. 😉
Mike.

[leavemetogetonwithit]

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johnnyj wrote:Replace with a 2.3kw heater and you will find the stats raley fail hotpoint tech/bull advise’s if failing regularily.

So the customer must pay to fix a fault that was in the design?
Mike.

[kwatt]

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leavemetogetonwithit wrote: So the customer must pay to fix a fault that was in the design?

That’s just life in modern society this practice is now widespread across many products and is commonly reffered to as, “reality”. 😉

K.

[leavemetogetonwithit]

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Wonder how many of them know.

[johnnyj]

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Not realy i have a condensor t/dryer stats have never failed on mine 5 years old, but then again i dont open door before tumble cool , i clean filter, condensor , choose the correct programe for which is being dried, i suppose somebody using a washing machine as a bank is a design fault also.

[leavemetogetonwithit]

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[quote=”johnnyj i suppose somebody using a washing machine as a bank is a design fault also.

😆 Nice one.

[andy2]

Qualtex wrote:Have been advised that future TOC kits will include
a one shot

Dear Mr Qualtex,

I don’t know whether you have read this thread

http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … highlight=

But it is about the same subject. Have a read and consider using the 120 deg resettable stat in your kit. This would make everyone happy, even the customer who would not have to fork out £XX every time these things blow.

From a safety point of view it does exactly the same job. If the customer is instructed to make sure the condenser and filter are checked regularly and not to open the door or prematurely end the program then if it persists in tripping they call out the engineer to sort the underlying fault(eg. short circuit stat).

Simple but effective – not to good for Mr Macaroni.

Of course if you want to continue to pocket a wedge like Mr Macaroni then you keep using his one shots.

Andy 😀

[Penguin45]

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I think if you check the electrical regs they now specify that a cut-off device is mandatory in the case of overheating. An auto re-set thermostat is not a cut-off, and in the event of a control stat sticking in the closed position will exacerbate the problem by cycling the machinen at an even higher temperature.

It just isn’t safe, and it’s against the regs.

Chris.

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