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Re: 2nd hand machines with splitable tubs & brushless motors
kwatt wrote:That is not true Martin.
Bosch do not make all that they sell and to say otherwise is false.
Bosch, part of the mighty Siemens group, make their own and rebrand nothing. Their days of buying in ‘under license’ are long gone. The Crosslee dryers you referred to confined to history. So too Balay when they bought their plant.
I very much doubt the fridge freezer theory though all the worlds fridges have some other brand of compressor in them anyway. Much like a BMW can’t operate without Bosch components inside.
Nope, I believe Bosch only make Bosch when it comes to today’s worldwide white goods market.
Re: 2nd hand machines with splitable tubs & brushless motors
Sorry Martin, you are wrong.
They still sell a rebadged Daewoo side by side or, did a week or two ago when I last checked. So sorry but, you are wrong.
And it’s Bosch Siemens Haustergate, with Bosch, Neff and Siemens all under the one roof and has been for ages, Siemens home appliances more or less a subset like Neff that are no more than rebadged Bosch machines in a fancy dress, rebranded in other words.
So even internally within the damn group they rebrand product all the time making your statement a bit of a farce don’t you think?
Added to which, had you watched the news you’d have seen that Siemens (who only had a 50{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} stake in the appliance division BTW) sold out a while back to… BOSCH!!
So your notion that Bosch is “part of the mighty Siemens group” is wholly and totally incorrect.
It’s all just rebranding on a monumental scale even within the group let alone what they buy in regardless of how you slice it.
K.
Re: 2nd hand machines with splitable tubs & brushless motors
take a look at the Bosch Serie 4 KAN90VI20G and then the Daewoo FRAX22B3S American
both available at AO
Bosch £1,089
Daewoo £547
Both 2 yr warranty
Now play spot the difference
What features does the Bosch have that the Daewoo doesn’tRe: 2nd hand machines with splitable tubs & brushless motors
It’s a problem Martin isn’t it, to say that they make everything when, truth be told, they do not.
BSH itself sells under multiple brands, Bosch, Siemens, Neff, Pitsos, Thermador, Gaggenau, Viva … the list goes on as it does for many and as with most they will and DO buy in product regionally and globally so far as I can see.
This is a big problem with out industry as nobody wants to talk about out, but I did…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cltgwr99Uak
K.
Re: 2nd hand machines with splitable tubs & brushless motors
Lawrence wrote:take a look at the Bosch Serie 4 KAN90VI20G and then the Daewoo FRAX22B3S American
both available at AO
Bosch £1,089
Daewoo £547
Both 2 yr warranty
Now play spot the difference
What features does the Bosch have that the Daewoo doesn’tIt looks similar I’ll grant you that (but fridges all look the same don’t they?) but the Bosch has larger capacity AND clad in stainless steel. Nice try though. A Bosch is Bosch guys, accept or move on with this :rolls:
Re: 2nd hand machines with splitable tubs & brushless motors
Martin… it’s a Daewoo in a dress at double the price!!
I think you’ve perhaps had too much of the BSH Kool Aid. 😉
K.
Re: 2nd hand machines with splitable tubs & brushless motors
Ok Martin
In order
Cube trays in the freezer – identical
Can express -identical
Salad Bins -identical
air slot to the left of the can express – identicalI don’t mind what brand owners do withe products they either make or use but paying double for a name is a little bit much I think.
Its not even like the Bosch has more warranty on it.Re: 2nd hand machines with splitable tubs & brushless motors
kwatt wrote:I think you’ve perhaps had too much of the BSH Kool Aid. 😉
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K.Dang you’ve sussed me. Yep I’m Bosch through and through. Old habits as they say 😀
Re: 2nd hand machines with splitable tubs & brushless motors
Iadom Yep that`s true. But I wouldn`t recommend any Bosch washer dryers unless someone wanted to take pot luck on spares availability on a 20 year old model which were good machines at 30 quid off ebay. Recent w/dryers ( 7 year old ones to newer ) are a load of tosh- spiders break.
Brushless motors I wouldn`t recommend-motors very good that`s true but pcb`s fail-mega expensive to put right.
There`s no easy answer in my view. So might as well buy 2 Bush 6kg machines and keep it simple- note some Bush are Chinese i.e. one might be a Hisense rebadged circ 200 quid. The Turkish made Bush are easiest to get spares- Charles Hyde is good for Vestel spares at a reasonable price. I work on quite a few Bush and look a likes- only because there`s loads of them around because most others won`t sully their paws on them; read: can`t charge the price they`d like to repairing sub 200 quid machines which is the real reason. Other than the mass of low temp programmes which if used without regular cycle descaling or internal cleaning which kills these machines other than that they`re not that bad a machine, though the Proaction 5 or 6kg 1000 spin in my view is slightly better than a Bush but the Luxor 1400 for £189 from The Range shop chain with 2 years warranty is an absolute bargain, given the better selection of programmes, and that`s Vestel turkish too as are White Knight washing machines but these often have rip off spare prices with Partmaster ee.g. 100 quid for a door seal as opposed to 18 quid elsewhere… its the same part people!… you X ref the parts with help from Charles but then for another 30 quid you can get a 10 year parts warranted Indesit Innex ( which I personally wouldn`t touch with a 20 foot barge pole ) but if the pcb jacks, as it most likely will, you can`t fix the poxy thing yourself ( Bush/ Proaction/ Luxor pcb`s are swop overs without any pussy footing around with programming new boards-very sensibly so as are the splittable drums for bearing changes where you buy the 2 bearings and oil seal NOT the expensive listed rear half tank unless you can pick one up new for 35 quid off ebay, and you can if you look ) and in anycase since Indesit/Hotpoint now owned by the Yanks ( Whirlpool ) the call out to get your freebee part/s could rise to £150 for anyone knows in the near future making the warranty more or less worthless; a typical Yankie type business trick!! There`s always something isn`t there!
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