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Turns out that some people previously responsible for the accounts have made some errors. :rolls:
The biggest one is probably that they have not run any credit control whatsoever. What this means, in effect, is that there are a load of people that haaven’t paid, some stretching back to 2005.
So here’s the way it’s going to be…
I will send out statements today or tomorrow with a covering letter explaining the situation. Since it’s our cock up (:angry4:) if the amount is not paid or the company doesn’t want to pay it then I will cancel the access to this forum and null the account. No harm, no foul.
The ability to pay monthly by standing order will be re-instated. IMO it should never have been unavailable.
The bank account number was changed without my knowledge or authority for some reason, leading to a situation where anyone that was paying by that method hasn’t paid a bean since, at best, December 2006. However many more appear to have been dropped before then.
I’ve agreed, mainly because of Sean doing my head in, to raise it to £75 a year, which is a whole £4.50, just to stop him whining at me, to be fair though this is the first increase since 2005. So any complaints should be directed towards Mr Delaney. 😆
As the standing order was another cock up on our part (:angry4:) I don’t think that we should pursue it. I will leave it to people’s own recognisance on whether to pay the shortfall or not.
Beacause of the silly bank rules the standing order mandate is only available as a locked image file, you have to fill in the blanks and hand it into your bank. I’ve done as much as I can on there for you in advancce but left the initial payment blank in the event that you wish to pay the difference as previously mentioned.
You can download the mandate HERE
Assuming that last year’s was paid then it’s due in June, hence looking at this in further detail now and the discovery of the errors. If you want to pay in a lump sum by BACS or cheque that’s no problem, just let us know via an email to accounts@ukwhitegoods.co.uk
Thanks for th esupport, we’ll get there wit this and, as you may have sussed, I’m not exactly happy about how the subscribers accounts have been handled, not happy at all. But we’re sorting it.
K.
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Thanks Jackal.
The invoices for 2007/08 are out today.
Anyone that has an outstanding account, I sent statements a few weeks ago, that remains unpaid as at the end of the month will have their access removed as I will assume that you no longer want to take part in the subs.
K.
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Yes Alex, you’re clear.
If anyone has any queries just drop me a line. I can only answer them when I’m in the office and have access to accounts, but you will get answers.
Copies of statements or invoices can easily be emailed to you if required.
K.
kwatt wrote:Got it Mal, you’re now an official lunatic. 😆
K.
Nearly 30 years in the trade has given me that qualification already, Doh 😆
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kwatt wrote:
I’ve agreed, mainly because of Sean doing my head in, to raise it to £75 a year, which is a whole £4.50, just to stop him whining at me, to be fair though this is the first increase since 2005. So any complaints should be directed towards Mr Delaney. 😆My subscription renewal invoice from UKW came in today @£70:50 as per usual :?. Have I talked myself out of £4:50 by asking this question or is it a special low cost for me :).
Bryan
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Question for Ken??
I was filling in the cheque this morning and a thought came to me when I saw the VAT content on the invoice.
All our cheques are made out to UKW Ltd so VAT has to be paid, fact?
UKW Ltd puts all the money collected into the subs fund, fact?So if all the money collected is put into the subs account who pays the VAT man???:?
John
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UK Whitegoods Limited has picked up the tab for:
General Administration
Postage
Accountancy
VAT Liability
Corporation Tax Liability
Printing
PaperI picked up the tab for it personally IIRC for the first year before UKW was a limited company.
There is no record of these costs so that they cannot be directly attributed to the subscribers fund beyond the last postage round as we now monitor that and I guess we could work out the taxation easy enough. There’s odds and sods there, but it’s all I can think of off the top of my head, there may be more, I dunno.
None of the labour and costs to do stuff for the subs, like going to London to meet the OFT and HSE, stuff like that, has been billed at all to the subs. In fact, when I come to think of it, pretty much nothing has been billed to the subs at all.
The meeting room hire was supposed to be, but we managed to do all that without the subs funds, so we did.
All in all UK Whitegoods has spent considerably more maintaining the fund and doing things off our own bat than is even in there.
As I have said and, a lot of people don’t seem to get it, if there’s any other way rather than taking money from the repairers to get things done, we’ll take it.
K.
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We are sitting here with all this money in the fund and as I suspected the bills are not being paid with the subs money!!
If we have approx 60 members in here all paying their subs that would work out at approx £630 a year VAT from income, add on a chunk for the dreaded corporation tax and expenses like postage and admin then surely the cost has to be over £1K per year.Is it not about time the subs fund paid its own bills?????????
This question is not aimed at Ken because we all know his thoughts on paying to access this forum.It is aimed at the members who pay the subscriptions
JohnRe: Accounts Stuff
It could be self financing but only with one of two things, huge increase in members or a sizeable increase in the fee. If you follow the rules.
I tend to vote for neither when I think that there’s another way. 😉
My way is to use other sources of self-generated finance to accomplish the objectives. But then I tend to do that with other things as well which don’t fit with traditional business models as I tend to think along the lines of businesses with common goals working as a single unit where it is advantageous to do so.
In that respect UKW, ISE and the subs have a LOT of common goals and ground. They all need much the same sort of resource to operate. So, in my mind there is no point in trying to split hairs, we just muck in and help each other. I am forever preaching to people, use the resources that you have be that people, assets or finance in the best possible manner to achieve the goals. Not to do so is, to me, a waste of resource.
I could go on about this all night, but I’ll drop it. 😉
K.
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